turboplanner

Hi Yenn,Appreciate your posts but have to reply to your comments above

We did a trip ex Victoria, NT centre, west coast WA and home via Kalgoolie, port Lincoln.

 

I can tell you truly that the Jab 230 out performed fuel wise better than the C206, Warrior and Technam, and C 172.

 

Fuel stops planning were mainly to satisfy them when we could have cut our flying time by heaps.

 

I still have the log if interested further.

 

Regards.

The 230 would have a cost per nm per pax advantage over the 160 and 170 for the type of long trip you mentioned.

*legs

I plan on touring

RA is better for pottering around, just enjoying flying for an hour or two here and there, going to the odd breakfast in the local area, but when you seriously commit to touring, the GA aircraft have the endurance and reliability, much less downtime ferrying jerry cans from various towns, the ability to fly longer kegs faster, and so make use of larger airports with more facilities, and provide the option of IFR training so you can get the aircraft back home within a weekend.

While RA has a lower cost per hour, when you are flying an hour at a time, the figures come out differently when you are covering touring distances; the faster the aircraft the lower the hours for a given distance, and even within GA, if you are talking about regular touring, the optimum aircraft are up the range from the C172 abd Cherokee Warrior.

Also, when you break down the costs per person touring, the more seats, the lower the cost.

I did this spreadsheet comparison in 2013, and it more or less shows that if you just want to have a fly around the local area, a Gazelle is fine, but if you want to tour, the Cherokee 6 is a low cost aircraft per person.

What about large petrol powered rc models ? would that scare them?

The paper may well be making many more reports over the next six or seven years Richard; these things are never over the day after they happen.

Just as a matter of interest, how do the crows shell the almonds?

Good advicePilots doing bird scaring work would always have low level endorsements,plenty of experience and often Ag rating or working towards one.

Picture of the crash.

 

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/light-plane-crashlands-at-loxton-in-south-australias-riverland/news-story/356a5824c1af91be807c8ef8b8769dd9

Picture of the crash.How strong is that airframe!

Lucky it was aluminium!

My grandfather solved this problem by skinning a rabbit, trapping one of the crows eating wheat out of the open bags, and putting the rabbit skin on it. Last he saw was the crow with the skin desperately flapping to catch up with the flock who were flying for the horizon looking over their shoulders. The flock never came back.

A bang like that would probably scare them off.

This is not an RA problem. It was a commercial enterprise.

I never understand the purpose of posts like this. A lady died in this crash and others are injured. Flippant comments re the choice of business names doesn't add to anyone's understanding of how the crash occurred. And could add to the angst of people involved. Sorry .. but that's just how I see it.

If this aircraft was low flying then the pilot stands a good chance of facing a manslaughter charge; if there was an engine failure, it would be in his interests to have a more detailed description of where it occurred.

Either way, there are some lessons to be learnt here, particularly since there has been a chequered history of beach landings in RA in recent years.

Let me flaunt my ignorance; the foam is a fire-retardant NOT a 'soft landing' cushion (True/false). It was not a forced landing as the engine was working along with all controls (true/false). If I were to find myself in a similar situation in my Jabiru, I would kill all electrics and fuel on short final and then the mags during the hold-off so I don't wreck my prop or engine.

The video provides that in foamation. Nev

Or it comes from W&B terminology, 1 PAX, 2 PAX, 4PX etc.

I am stuck for suggestions.. What would be a winner for you Turbo?KP

Good on you DrZoos.. That is about their maximum mentality. You forgot the cane farms in Brazil nearly all members eat sugar.KP

When you go into it the LOW cost FEEDER services don't exist. The seat cost/mile is too high. The "newer " 200+ seaters just kill the equipment used for the regionals, and the customers can't see why the difference is so great and think they are getting ripped off. Nev

Indications are that light aircraft (GA and other) activity is NOT growing at the moment, (surprise, surprise) so investing in an airport might not be very profitable, but we are losing access to airports and costs are spiralling at most of them so is it part of a vicious circle?. Airports near built up areas serve those centres and should be considered an asset for them as AIRPORTS bringing some business and safety with access by air ambulance fire fighting PLANES etc. In most cases the developers are waiting to cover it with shopping centres, Mc Mansions and narrow roads. which can actually go anywhere whereas an airport has specific needs for location. Flat, drained and not pointing at hills, or in a foggy valley. Nev

The new price of a Cessna 172 at around $370,000 is not a lot more than the 1960 cost based on average take home pay, and it's heartening to see a few operators putting on new equipment. Nobody wants to rent 40 yo cars and the same applies to aircraft. The industry is in need of a few entrepreneurs like Arthur Schmitt. He flew all over Australia selling Cessnas, and from time to time would drop in to our paddock to see if we would part with some cash. The other opening is for low cost feeder services to the smaller country towns.

Just needs marketing skills.

I think you still have to flare???

Potrero talked about the correct technique, but there was a raging fight here a few years ago with several people teaching a point down and shoot technique for landing, using throttle for speed and elevators for rate of descent. That will create regular nose first landings, and even if wheelbarrowing is avoided, will have the nose wheel down at a much higher speed, hitting bumps and potholes for much longer at an exponentially higher speed.

I'll put that on the bucket list. I spent a short while mustering on Nappa Merrie about 25 years ago, there's never a dull moment down that way ...

What about the notice I have to carry in full view of the passenger about how they travel in this aircraft at their own risk?I guess you will say that this amounts to a deal which cuts the legal profession, including judges, off the gravy train and it will therefore be declared nonvalid.

What are we paying our taxes for.?????????????????????????????KP

I don't think people struggling on wages in the current climate would welcome your thought that their taxes should be going into government owned airfields for hobby pilots though.

Good on him; thought it through, kept the aircraft flying, and when things did go south, had slowed enough under control that the result was minor.