turboplanner

There's some value in beginning to instill safety in a tyro pilot before they leave the flight hut.They are entering a new environment where there are dangers that have not been pointed out to them. Things like - don't lean on a propeller; always attach an earth strap to the plane before refuelling; watch out for things hanging under the wings (pitot tubes), and stop if your hear "Clear Prop".

Knowing that the down and forward visibility is not the best from those things and that it wouldn’t be the first time a low wing has landed on top of a high wing, I prefer not to assume and let discretion, as they say, be the better part of valour!

In the 1950s and 60s the old ex WW2 guys would have taken him round the back of the hangar and smacked him in the teeth - they really knew how much safer it was with correct radio use.

Really not sure where best to post this, but I am getting totally pissed off with aircraft going non radio. Warwick this morning I was taxiing for runway 27. A warrior had just called departing the circuit and I called “entering and lining up runway 27” when I spotted a PC12 on mid downwind. Now, I know that I had time to enter and roll before he landed, but with nil radio calls from him and a massive difference in performance and no idea of his intentions, I called “traffic downwind at Warwick, I will hold and line up behind you” then I received from him, “have you sighted” which confirms his radio was working and on the correct frequency. Now, a PC12 is not a basic puddle jumper and one would assume a fair degree of qualification and professionalism from someone piloting one, so why no radio calls???? See and avoid is essential!!

Prior to that policy coming in he probably would have done what you expected to remove any doubt.

That's putting a good light on it, and also assuming someone who is flying a turboprop aircraft exercised judgement.

He probably knew that if you entered the runway and started your take off roll he could just his the gas and out climb you anyway.

He also could have been texting for a taxi.

I don't have that as long as they don't report it as a Cissna

You’ll get a laugh out of the Goolwa gripes now that you’re flyng high density; makes you a much better all round pilot.

Well it was going to have a lot of difficulty catching fire.

Yes two different sports each as good as the other, although if you can't put fuel in it, it's not really sport.

There is a downside to that. Ex glider pilots don't think about doing a "go around " and sometimes they should.

I am with HGFA, but I am more than willing to move accross to RAAUS. A friend of mine has since bought a microlight and will be hangaring with me. He is with RAAUS.Both organisations gave us their support.

Also spoke to Airborne who said they have never heard of something like this before.

On the other hand if some turkey has been flying 1000' circuits and getting on the way of Dash 8s there may be reason the next person is going to do the same.

Is it not going to be affected by one of the proposed new Sydney airports, if they ever happen.

I disagree.....It certainly is my opinion that adults need to be left to make their own choices, and that we need less intervention from interfering "authorities".The fact that we have as much government interference in our lives is exactly what's wrong with our otherwise good country.

In Australia that pilot has a duty of care not to kill or injure anyone as a result of a “reasonably forseeable risk”. We don’t as spectators or visitors to that hangar have to worry about it.

We need to let go and let people make their own decisions and deal with whatever consequences come.If they choose to do something and fail at it, then it's their problem and no-one else's.

We aren't talking about RPT pilots doing silly things, it's private operations on private property.

 

The only "example" you need to set is for your own children.

Depends on the zoning OME Penfield has been zoned Green Wedge since 1971, technically will never be a growth area where residential development is allowed, which accounts for the difference. Greenfield Industrial in a growth zone also sells for $1 million/acre.

A developer?

Some food for thought here:

They bought it in 2003 for $800,000.00, and no doubt worked very hard to build it to what it is today, with an annual income of $1 million.

Annual income exceeds the purchase price.........if they can do it, so can others with a similar market catchment.

The Property at 295 Settlement Rd Sunbury, if you want to have a look on GoogleMaps is in one of Melbourne's Green Wedge Zones, so is protected from housing development in the zone (although the ominous "Green Wedge zoning prevents it from being developed into residential lots at this stage." shows the constant pressure of developers.)

Its selling price at this stage equates to $94,000/acre.

If the Urban Growth Boundary was moved to include it (which is not likely at this stage, it would be worth about $1 million/acre greenfield Industrial or Residential, so you can see why developers attack the system to buy cheap and make a tenfold gain o a real estate company which chops it up into lots with no gardens for houses with no garages and roads too narrow to get fir trucks in, then locks up the stock, creating a land shortage and selling it off at $320,000 for a 400 square metre house block - which the current generation can't afford to buy.

In a nutshell this sale shows both the threats and opportunities for urban airfields.

Perhaps the current problems we talk about are more a lack of smart entrepreneurs and managers.

Sunbury airfield ready for takeoff with a cool $25 million price tag - realestate.com.au

Could be a friend of mine.

No worries Turbo , (edited..mod) just a throwback to the never ending story days lol

I didn’t say I was offended bull, just amused that people have taken opposing positions based mostly on speculation about what another group of people may or may not have done.

This is an amazing thread! Two sides arguing, but have any facts been confirmed yet?

it is my understanding that ELAAA is a fee for service proposition - no membership required. KP maybe you can clarify?

CAAP92-1 says it all, basically you can land anywhere you think it’s safe.On a side note I follow Trent Palmer on YouTube, he’s into bush flying & a memeber of the flying cowboys, I think in this nanny state we live in if you tried half of what he does the FUN POLICE have a fit, especially if any of you guys with tail wheels water ski on any of our water ways.

Fly safe & keep the shinny side up.

I had a session with one at Inverloch in Victoria, which didn't start well when my dog attacked his.

VH BUN is still in Albury.

I hit a flock of galahs just as I flared at Cootamundra. Took out one with the prop, one with the nose gear and one punched a baseball sized dent in the leading edge of the starboard wing.

There's probably still a neat little patch on the wing.

Isn't ELAAA an alternative with its exposition already under consideration by CASA?

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