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.....pay a huge price for assault rifles; it was an offer we couldn't refuse."

Benyamin (he's never referred to as "Benny" unless you want a Mossad necktie) was outraged. "Israel has been a good ally of Australia; how could you sell these weapons of death to be used against us?"

"Don't worry" said Turbo, he paid up front, and I had them made in Wuhan province. As soon as they fire the guns up into the air they'll jam and split the barrels. It was a good deal all round for us allies, so let's...................."

......Us.

"Ah Ve" said Golda "Always with the Statements that Cappy. He was the same as a little boy; always the statements when I was trying to send him to school. He could always start a fight, but never finish a sentence."

"He was so bad that his words always came back to bite him, especially............."

.....had been written up by shock jocks going right back to Davy Jones who was the great great grandfather of Alan Jones.

The cricketer after going for a TIF with an Instructor from DriftersR............

 

 

 

[Turbo was at a Whinery, and also acting at warp speed to catch some very naughty Councillors.]

Has anyone thought to check what Jabiru recommend or approve?

 

The FRP boat industry had a sub industry of transom rebuilders courtesy the people who drill a new hole through which allows water to expand the hardwood reinforcement, and lubricants incompatible with the resin.

 

Jabiru aileron hinges are also mounted in resin.

Next urgent project is restoration of a Rockmaster twin-ram posthole digger. Just about finished restoration of the frame and hydraulic cylinders this week, the gearbox is next for attention.

My first job was in their drawing office in Adelaide. My mentor was Paddy Baker who either invented the swing saw, or got in early and supplied most of the eastern market.

The achilles heel of the Rockmaster is that the crown wheel sits on a phosphor bronze bearing and the shaft is all that stops it rocking.

When you hit a lump of rock, of which there's plenty under in the ground in SA the crown wheel grabs and tilts and the pinion starts to come out of mesh and break teeth.

I left there at 18 to set up a drilling business and designed my own gearbox using a heavy angular contact bearing top and bottom and never had a problem after that.

Paddy also designed a hydraulic wool press which sold very well.

Haste has killed as well with engine failures. Don't rush! The plane won't instantly fall out of the sky!

In a high drag Recreational Aircraft in a climb attitude you're not going to be looking for a thermal. We have a history of undamaged aircraft falling out of the sky.

I think that possibly it goes back further than engine failure training. If you are taught to maintain your airspeed then it is instinctive and regardless of power settings or lack thereof you subconsciously adjust your attitude to maintain the proper airspeed without having to think about it.

Part of trouble with when you're doing it with an instructor I found was that when the power was pulled, I knew what I would do, and where I was going, but you're not sure if that's what they wanted you to do.

If you can guarantee subconscious action, yes different methods don't matter. The key point is that first the aircraft glides, then you pick your roof.

YSSY must have moved that Rwy10 degs???

Who cares? Us Trolly Dollys could always look it up if we wanted to.

He's talking from memory; I'd rather hear the story from a pilot who forgot the coordinates after 30 years.

If we continue to train pilots by pre-empting an 'emergency', then pilots are not learning just how greatly their reaction time is affected by shock.

Where an Instructor starts a sessions with "Today we're going to practice some EFATOs" you're primed and ready for as many as it takes and you're paying hourly rate for no benefit.

It HAS to be unexpected (and the instructor has to be ready for a fail.

The three or four seconds you talked about is recognised in a lot of industries as a failure to react subconsciously.

The Reaction Time the study talks about, and I was talking about was reaction time to a subconscious response. Once you cross that point and start to think "Is the engine really stopping?" etc. you not only go into the 2 - 3 second response, but I've actually taken several seconds to get my act together pikcing the wrong response a couple of times into the bargain. I don't think I would ever do that with an EFATO because I was lucky enough to have an Instructor who explained "The instant the engine slows, nose down, trim to 70 kts, THEN follow the other checks" and proceeded to pull the throttle back from above the strip all the way out to the training area, and the nose down became a subconscious action.

Reacting subconciously usually occurs before shock, with shock hitting as the enormity of what's about to happen sinks in. I think in most cases, such as an engine failure from altitude, the check list keeps you busy, but I know from racing that at times you can react well, and at other times fear is the top emotion.

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Nice! are they going into quarantine for 14 days??

It might have been the one that brought a full load of troops into Melbourne.

Yonks ago, when I was designing my panel, there was a discussion about this and a recommendation that we adopt an idea from rally drivers, who have even more need to keep their eyes outside:

Turn each dial so that when everything is husky-dory, all the needles are parallel, pointing up.

In speedway there's even less time to react; we're doing a quarter mile of four turns and four straights in 11 - 13 seconds in heavy traffic.

I started out with a full instrument cluster and after 8 years just had a tacho sticking out of the RH side of the car with the needle pointing vertically at 10500 rpm, so I could get a glimpse at the very start of turn 1 IF I was thinking about the gearing, otherwise it was all head up. (so pretty much what Fachunter was saying)

You sure about this? My reaction time on the bike slowed enough for me to give it up.

Try the reaction time test, however you may still have made a wise decision if your modulation was going off.

 

This might explain why so many elderly drivers accelerate their car in reverse onto the footpath.

From my own experience, allowing bad habits to develop was the cause.

I came into a Bunnings car park one day and as I went to brake in the slot the engine revs picked up. Being an analytical sort of person and figuring the throttle had jammed wide open I absolutely stood on the brake, yanked the park brake and then thought about turning the engine off. I restarted the engine with the transmission in neutral and the engine started normally and dropped to idle so I got out onto an open road as quickly as possible and was very alert for the next few days but the problem didn't happen again. A few weeks later I'd forgotten about it and the same thing happened again, but this time I'd looked down and noticed my foot half way off the brake pedal and pushing the accelerator pedal. I was mortified, but caught myself carelessly using the brake pedal again, so focused on placing my fit squarely on the pedal for a couple of weks and that was the end of that habit. Have never drifted back into it in years.

I would suggest that's the case only if you maintain currency. Don't know what the studies say about that, but I regularly see elderly drivers around here that have extremely poor reaction times. I suspect the only time they are behind the wheel is once a week to is to doddle on down to the shop.

I used to ride 6 to 7 days a week and could pick the deterioration after not riding for a week. Now I ride maybe once a month and the deterioration does not feel so obvious. Doesn't mean it's not there, just less obvious, which would make it more dangerous.

My friend bought an aircraft off someone who had done maybe 60 hours in 14 years. My friend and I fly several times a week and scared to hell out of the owner during a test flight by approaching a stall at a reasonable altitude.

I think currency is important, but you have to current at the right thing.

I doubt that increasing BFR requirements for example would help at all, but would likely exacerbate the issue and make it even longer between flights.

 

Edit: tried your test...consistently below 0.25 sec. not sure if clicking a mouse translates to real world though.

This is just a test to get reaction time for a very simple task - see something > do something. the interesting thing is you can practice and practice but that will be about your reaction time.

Your reaction time is about what I'd expect from a current pilot.

 

Control actuation and modulation are separate subjects, and where currency, old age and bad habits come in.

BFR is a waste of time except for regulation tests; real time auditing is much better.

Not really surprising unfortunately. I wonder if the difference in reaction time might be an unfamiliar simulator or just a difference in how it was measured between now and then.

Possibly, the difference might have been a red light coming on and foot touching a brake pedal vs a red light on a screen and a mouse click. The difference in Formula 1 drivers averaging 20/100 second today is about the same (Jack Brabham in the early 1960s 18/100 sec. At 1 second slower you are moving well away from expected subconscious action towards trying to think what to do.

 

Mythbusters did a segment on this some time ago. While driving they would ask them a series of questions that they had to think a bout and make decisions. Even when using a hands free drivers weren't focused on driving.

Yes, this study shows that hand free isn't safe. I've actually driven through a red traffic light while focused on giving and answer and these days don't use a phone while driving. The business advantages are so small vs calling someone back, or stopping for a few minutes that it's not worth using the phone.

 

I hate touchscreens because you have to look at what you are pressing, I like different shaped tactile buttons, like military aircraft use so that once you are familiar they can be operated without looking away.

Yes not only do infotainment centres require you to look down to hit the right spot, but the senstive field can be so small on a GPS section that you keep inputting errors, multiplying the problem.

 

I noticed yesterday driving on the Warrego with the sun at the right angle, you could see clearly every driver that went past in the opposite direction. More than 50% were doing something other than driving, including looking at phones, talking to passengers while looking directly at them, having big swigs out of bottles and generally just looking really bored with their head resting on their hand with the elbow propped.

In doing that they lose most of their reaction time which could have been used to swerve out of the way.

 

Note the buttons on the collective and cyclic in this image....No two the same, you can tell what's what by feel.

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The car equivalent of this is the old radio where you reached to a certain position, turned the knob a certain way and got variations in sound or stations.

A few years ago we started putting a couple of controls on the steering wheel, so you could work by feel, but these days, with several phone controls, even more radio controls and a few other additions you often have to look down anyway. My wife's car has a CVT transmission which is programmable, so you can click another switch and use F1 type paddles to make rapid gear changes if you feel like Lewis Hamilton. If she's left the radio on or the volume's too high it takes me 20 km to work out how to turn it off stabbing at the bristling array of switches in heavy traffic.

 

 

The good news about reflexes is that as you get older you don't seem to lose much reflex time; just get into bad habits like letting your foot slide out to the right when touching the brake pedal.

 

 

 

Anyone who wants to test their reaction time: F1 Test: Test your reaction time at the start of the F1 race

 

The time is in seconds so the F1 driver standard at 20/100 sec would be 0.2

Before you post fatastic times I got a .05, but I was anticipating the lights and had a lucky break.

 

For someone who just drives cars the study is saying reaction time is around 1.0

However, if you've previously raced cars bikes boats or flown aircraft your inbuilt senses should be a lot better than that, down into the .2s

Also there will be a difference between someone who hasn't used a mouse very often, and someone who works several hours a day with a mouse, or plays solitaire.

Gamers should be right up with F1 drivers.

Wouldn't have happened if we had gone for elimination in the first round

You only have to look at the rebellious posts on this site to know you could only have achieved that with assault rifles, and even then some people would have got away.

We did well pulling back from Wave 1, the CMO is telling us to be patient with Vic Wave 2 (because of the delay factor), so we still have a few days in Vic which might show a peak, and what's been learned so far is being applied much faster in NSW, Qld and SA.

[Well we waited for it, we thought we had Cappy stumped for words back a few posts, but he not only wrote a masterful script, but FILMED it (NES readers would realise that this wasn't Hitler of course, but Cappy with a stick on moustach. The difference between Cappy and Turbo of course is that Turbo would have worn his Epaulettes]

The rising column seems to work well with multi engine power checks. With speed "BUGS" on the rim of the airspeed you get the "picture" of approaching and exceeding each one as you go through a flap speed schedule . THAT and an AOA indicator cover the margins over stall well. At about 4.30 in the morning the least mental gymnastics you do the better. Nev

My thinking is the same as yours on this, and I was going to mention that maybe the old "Idiot Lights" weren't so bad after all, when I remember a story from my days in the Bus Industry.

At a Bus Maintenance Conference (their equivalent of the Oscars) the question of overheating of a certain coach engine was being discussed, and the drivers were blamed for not paying attention to the tenp gauge. A guy from Leyland got up and told us a story from his time in South Africa. "We brought out a bus chassis called the Kudu, which had a bigger radiator than normal, but the buses used to overheat. The drivers only had a basic education to we decided to fit red lights as well, but they still couldn't equate a red light to an engine about to blow up, so we put a big red tail light directly in the drivers' vision, but the drivers resolved the problem of the big lights coming on by smashing them. Having noticed that they all drove in bare feet, I routed a pipe from the radiator overflow into the body ending just above the accelerator pedal. That stopped the blown engines.

Which is what is happening to the site, people are moving on hence the dwindling numbers....

I meant moving on to another thread.

Look at the thread the other day about the buy flying from Melbourne to Port Macquarie, rather than actually discussing flying it soon became a discussion about ICAO acronyms and other drivel. Do you think that people will keep posting if that happens again and again? Even this thread about the future of the website has become a discussion about relationships and the family courts...

There's always the option of moving on to something you are interested in.

In the past some site owners had little icons of a teacher with his finger out or a hammer or handgun with "BACK TO TOPIC! and used them relentlessly. Just about all those sites have disappeared in favour of site which let a discussion flow freely.

 

In the thread you are referring to, firstly I asked myself why someone would be going on social media to ask about a routine cross country flight, then I saw the ICAO codes and lost interest and moved on to something else.

 

The first peprson you are complaining about gave his reason - he doesn't fly, yet he is a major contributor of meticulous content on this site, so I don't think it was very fair.

 

I have an ERSA so it doesn't take long to find an airfield, but the thread lost me, and on a Recreational Aviation site such as this I suspect less than 5% would be accumulating enough hours per year to be current enough to remember all the ICAO codes for Australia, so why not just type the airfield names?

I wonder if we initiate some king of levy to support small town while keeping caravans off the roads?

A king of an idea; should be trialled in Queensland; no caravans but and extra $5 billion ion State Taxes to pay their share of the $12.8 billion tourism industry.

 

[NES readers and the thousands leaving the Trump FP pages might be wondering at why Cappy is lashing out at Een, and we can only advise them to disregard his antics which are reminiscent of a Tom cat caught in a rabbit trap but the poor dear seems to be rumlogged.]

......years until he was caught out in a Sting organised by Victoria's Public Health Commander (bet very few people know who she is), He was expunged from LMBTQZ for being straight, told to put everything back in the Victorian Cabinet, and denied his daily 50 lashes from Ita.

During the course of investigations it was discovered that a descendant of Captain Cook (name suppressed) had provided a false report of grooming and that it was clear that Turbo was simply teaching the boy the rules of cricket (which NES readers know from previous posts were well beyond the mental capacity of the unnamed person and..........

A very handsome man; he got two of us there OK.

This reaction time study is interesting from several perspectives; it relates to the drift to infotainment systems in cars where we are giving up some of the old familiar knobs where we could switch a rado on, and adjust the volume or select a station by feel compared to having to look down to ensure your finger is precisely on the tiny space reserved for a command, or where our original well spaced steering wheel controls have given way to multiple controls put where each different manufacturer thinks is best.

 

However it relates very well to aircraft panels in recreational aircraft where individual builders use different layouts, large vacuum controlled instruments are replaced by tiny electronic alternatives, and EFIS panels in a strange aircraft could be showing you anything. I can remember a few frustrating days in Jabirus where the last student had customised the layout to his own preferences and one week you might need to look to one side, another week two dials over, or another week having to change page.

 

One significant thing is their quoting of 1 second as the current average reaction time compared to half a second (50/100) sixty years ago. Why are we slowing down?

 

In cases like an EFATO where we need to have the nose going down as the engine is dying these things are concerning.

 

Interacting with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay when driving

.......had spent several years in junior teams but couldn't see the benefit in watching grass grow. "I'm more interested in learning how to fly" he said, and Turbo replied "Hop in......................."