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If you're driving an unregistered car with no licence, the police will fine you and the car is off the road until its registered. The police don't say "nothing to do with us"

An unregistered pilot in an unregistered RA aircraft found it necessary to do a beat up over some people and crashed without injury. There was a lot of talk about it, and RAA Inc took the position that it wasn't a registered pilot, wasn't a registered RA aircraft, had on number so it wasn't RAA's problem. CASA told RAA to do an audit of all RAA aircraft. A lot had to clean up their act; I suspect a lot with non complying aircraft never flew again.

The discussion in some places here mixes up routine internal financial issues with external Public Liability claims. You've been talking about looking at the Constitution etc. What has happened so far has just been a Coronial Inquest where RAA Ltd has been represented by lawyers, and that's expensive where multiple days are involved. The Coroner has referred some of the evidence to the DPP for possible prosecution, and that could be very expensive to be involved in too. Someone on this site is inferring there may be two more investigations; who knows what that means. It could be RAA doing an Audit, it could be CASA doing an audit into one of its SAAOs, just the same as the audit back in 2013 which permanently ended flying for a lot of people with non-compliant aircraft. Who knows. Matters have been referred to the DPP by the Coroner. If they decide to investigate, that could be called an investigation. After that is all over, there could be a civil suit relating to public liability if anyone is found to have had a duty of care and breached it, where your "real issue" comes into play. A judge decides that case, not CASA, not RAA. We can't predict where that would go whether any payment would be awarded or how much or to whom. You may not like the idea of paying out a partner's income for life because you made a mistake, but, say $100,000 per year x 35 years = $3.5 million. $40,000 x 35 years = $1.4 million (neither related to this case) is where the big dollar settlements come from. That's just the way it has been from the mid 1980's.

Firstly it's good to be able to find it, and correct the out of date line you were shooting. Secondly, from the mid 1980s that's how virtually every sporting or recreational activity now works; you can sponge off taxpayers any more; there are direct consequences for negligence.

Because they are separate bodies they're disposable if the worst come to the worst and CASA doesn't want one. We've had RAA Inc close down and Raa Ltd open up without the SAAO operations blinking. We've had HGFA replaced by SAFA.

Well the Coroner's Report says: "4. The registration of the aeroplane and Mr Farrell's licence to fly were regulated, in the first instance, by Recreational Aviation Australia (RAAus) 5. RAAus is an approved Self-Administered .......as written above. If we then start with the SAAO Deeds of Agreement, the first one I found was with GFA 2015/16 which spells out on Page 10, Para 9 "9. Indemnity 9.1 The GFA indemnifies CASA, its officers, employees and contractors against any liability, loss, damage, cost (including the cost of any settlement and legal costs and expenses on a solicitor and own client basis), compensation or expense arising out of or in any way in connection with: (a) a default or any unlawful, willful or negligent act or omission on the part of the GFA, its officers, employees, agents or subcontractors in connection with this Deed; or (b) any action, claim, dispute, suit or proceeding brought by any third party in respect of any use, infringement or alleged infringement of that third party's Intellectual Property Rights or Moral Rights in connection with this Deed. 9.2 The GFA's liability to indemnify CASA under clause 9.1 will be reduced proportionally to the extent that any act or omission of CASA or its employees or Agents contributed to the loss or liability." These Deeds of Agreement haove now been replaced by Part 103 and Part 149 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 (CASR 199) so anyone interested will be able to see exactly what the current wording is by going onto the CASA Website.

I'm not running any line. You can't keep living in the past. The CASA - RAA Inc. Agreements prior to the RAA Ltd change are posted on the site. They make it very clear who is responsible for what during the Agreement period. I'd suggest you go and have a look at a few of them and bring yourself up to date. I couldn't see any reason an RAA Ltd member couldn't get a copy of the current agreement either, although their Ltd status may let them keep it secret. However even looking at them in the 2010-2013 period tells you what got done and what didn't.

What's CASA got to do with it? RAA Ltd is a self administering organisation at arm's length from CASA. Since the members closed down RAA Inc (btw with its PL protection to suite the changes around 1985), we haven't been seeing the Annual agreements from CASA to RAA and the responsibilities spelled out but there are old ones on this site. It's way too early ($400,000 lawyers' fees divided by 10,000 members is $40.00/member so far) to predict the end, but there's nothing to stop the members making a decision to form a new administering body.

There are two potential stages here; what you are talking about is the Coronial Hearing outcome and from news media I understand this has been referred to the DPP for handling and possible prosecution in which case there will be more legal costs. The potential second stage is whether there will be a legal claim by the PL Law Firm previously mentioned. That may involve a lot more legal costs and possible payout, or a Settlement; you are correct.

.......Fred from IGA. "Uf you luft the nose wheel sux or suvn unchs the mine wull always hut." and the posts started again, quite a few saying "Been rubbing noses again?" Thus started a ...........

......rivetting the hoses on instead of using hose clamps. The argument lasted through 1500 posts, with some arguing that the water leaks out and others arguing who needs it and yet others wanting to know who was going to Old Station again this year and a few quietly asking how to straighten a nose wheel when it .........

........Kim, to stop whining (anothert term describing the envronmental noise of a Rotax), and get on with it. Kim introduced ground-breaking anti-whining laws and the population.......

No they don't.

Maurice Blackburn are Public Liability lawyers, so I would expect a PL civil case to follow the Coroner's finding. That's the usual process.

......say "How much you offerin' Bro?" The Vice Chancellor nearly crapped himself, knowing that if the University gave Kim the skills he needed with a BeatingTrump Degree it might become know that BUGC was a fake, so he .........

....and below that a Bell, and below that Bond University. It was the latter rather than the former that caused Turbo to regretfully decline the offer of half the profits of the following year. As we know, Bond University teaches.............

........interested I need to sell a brewing company so I can buy an airship [avref] to dangle ...............

.....Magna Carta Aviation Chapter. Surprisingly they were representing that scion from Peppermint Grove, and entertainer at the Freshwater Latte Joint, OT, where there was a tasteless photo up on the wall which in some ways was similar to the Big Fish people stuffed and put on restaurant walls. The Freshwater was a daily breakfast must for Alan Bond and it was said he would be staring at this ............

........fleece the National Health Service with any ailment that meets the category for a Doctor's claim, which is then used to finance Jaguar the Indian Automotive company which competes with Tata. It was Jaguar or course which recently bought out the rights to Drifter and Thruster which will shortly be supplied out of India as Jaguars. Hopefully their fuel pumps won't keep failing and ..........

.....leg, or hind leg as the case may be. Turbo was interested in the above diagrammes because on his days of in the Khyber incident as the British Newspapers were allowed to call it, he studied medicine under Mahatma La, and this diagramme was the final exam for the Bachelor of Medicine degree. Some of the bones like the coccyc had different names then, but the British decided to eliminate Indian students from becoming doctors, so they chaged the syllabis to Latin. It didn't work of course; the Indian students printed their own degrees and these days dominate England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland giving out .........

coxic when the person lands after flying through the air. Sunday was the day when bull......

regulations such as not putting your finger into the prop arc to see if it hurt or not impersonationg a CASA FOI just because your don't want any visitors, and on Sundays ......

Explanation: Cappy's eyesight isn't what it used to be; we caught him humping a hollow log recently. Turbo is the one left shoulder, and he had to lead Cappy into position after he was found standing in a daisy pot.

........story when it made headlines around the world made Trump look like the Weeties Boy. Klaus had been loved by all when he was the European Loans and Corporate Assistance go to in Gland, Switzerland and Turbo often had lunch with him while he was in Gland trying to persuade Ramsar to declare his cat farms Ramsar sites. "At first he seemed a nice sort of person" said Turbo, "but I noticed that I always had to pay for lunch, and when my change came back he always took it." "I was warned by the Ramsar Convention Secretary, Steve O'Track, who was an Australian that he was cleaning out the rich and famous on a scale of Trillions of dollars."Adolph "As we know, he was born Klaus Schicklegruber in Austria, the nephew of Adolf Schicklegruber who went on to wreck half the world." bull had been listening intently, because he had been following Klauss's instructions to live your life eating beetles and sending 110% of your income to WEF, and bull ......

That's why Self-reported is not a good way to go for a safe industry