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Well where did your "RAA insurance public liability is only good for $1 million" come from? If its confirmed every member is covered for $20 million that suits most. You just have to stay away from Fifo and Charter airports like Roma where if you knock down Dash 8 by picking the wrong approach and runway the familes of about 85 people could be claiming. The safety messages are simply to warn the person there is a different risk to flying in a 747 - gives him or her the option of stepping out. I've given examples in the past on payouts for: 1. No safety warning and the plaintiff succeeded. 2. Safety Warning and the plaintiff succeeded. 3. Safety Warning but failure to advertise the plaintiff was told he could sue succeeded.

.........have a certain flavour oozing from your pores which was never sold by Mrs Chanel in Paris ...................

It never ceases to amaze me how many people just think they're covered by the RAA policy, and don't go any further in taking action to protect themselves. It probably covers a medium injury to one person, but as of a few years ago, for a Quadriplegic the cost was about $13 million, and if you collided with multiple people the injuries and their legal fees would push a claim into the multi-millions. I'd suggest the C.ouncils are closer to the mark, and they have to pay out on footpath cracks, Swimming pools, water slides etc. I've never seen a discussion on here actually outlining what RAA Ltd actually give the members other that this specific token $1 million. The information Clouddancer provided indicates RAA are covered for $20 million, but is that just for the Company? (Usually lawyers just claim on everyone involved - you, the land owner/local council, RAA etc.) It would be interesting to compare what the members are covered for now vs what they were covered for in RAA Inc by the requirements of the Incorporated Associations Act, ACT. A bulk deal for 10,000 members vs 1 member is tiny because there are 10,000 people paying and maybe one or two having to pay out for liability every five years.

That's what Publkic Liability Insurance is for and also That's what Directors and Officers Liability is for. I can't remember now, but if we go back to around 2010/12 as an Incorporated Association, it MAY be that we were indemnified under the ACT. For anyone planning to be in Recreational Aviation for a few years, it would be well worth doing the research, and it may be smart to fly back to RAA Inc.

OneTrackLeft on the basis that if you drive a Cat Dozer all day, first you go deaf, then you can't see in discos because your eyes are already bouncing, then you lose your sense of smell, and finally your nuuts go square from the bouncing. It was a match made in heaven because OT sold the Bitprawns to the Miners, so it didn't matter if they opted to take the product because .........

".........I started a Company called BitPrawns. The problem with Bitcoins, Cappy, is that everyone sits on them and is too afraid to trade in case the value drops. That's its weakness. If someone decides to sell out there'll be an avalanche and Bitcoin will be worthless in a few hours of trading. My prawns on the other had start to smell after a week [a day for most of us non-trawlers] and this solves the non-trading issue. In fact BitPrawns are sold faster and faster and faster ................."

You don't have space to fit the Hirth system? If not are you looking at pipes only or pipe and muffler?

........Kev was now starting to rival Elon Musk, and many news outlets started equating the products of both. It was even rumoured in the New Jersey Herald that Don would be taking on Kev to crap on to the workers like Elon did. Turbine Investments launched BITJOKS which were much the same as Bitcoins except everyone kept flicking them on out of fear of one day having to wear a used one. Even ...........................

...........grille bars of Cadillac 1 after he left the White House late one night. It was Don's, but the whispers trail soon fixed that, and poor old Kev was the butt of the town for days ...........................

..........."Why Albo has that smirk on his face" which begins with Comrade Rudd, fresh back from Manchuria appointing a youthful Albo to his rise where he was personally greeted by Donald himself at the USA gate where Trump had been prepped to greet him as "Mate" and then the horror of that fish and chip chick actually staying at Don's holiday joint. Not many people know what's happened in the last few days between Don and Alby and Kev other than Don quipping "Great Men" as he boarded AF1 to go to the toilet, but Miss Nigeria knew and could bring the audience to their feet with how Albo wedged .................

..........cross Miss Nigeria, who growing up, learnt to read the bones and make potions which can freeze your "intent". You might be sitting there one minute ready to disagree with her (Turbo gets a weekly briefing) and say something she doesn't like. She just goes off and comes back with a nice coffee and the next thing you are sitting there frozen, watching her explain her side of the story. She has her good side though; she learnt to fly in a Savage Cub (with the Nigerian mods that made it look so different, and it was said she could fly through the nose ring of a Hutu without making him blink at the age of five. When she came to Australia .............

.......people like Vladimir Potus and that Andy character, the pom. He operates in the same way as his teenage science process, sprays for a while, lifts the lid off and then stands back. Not many people know why Victoria is broke. Some say it was because they employed too many consultants each earning $300 million per year, but having no idea of the subject they were advising on. Cappy was 32 of them (in his various disguises). When the government was trying to decide if placing their second airport in what used to be called "The Bog Swamp", Cappy showed up as "son of Bigglesworth" in a Facet Opal. Bigglesworth's adventures ingited Aircraft Pilates. Who can forget BW having nearly finished building his aircraft flying over the Australian Alps with nothing but a three dollar compass he'd bought from cheap as chips, in search of his girlfriend, missing where she was staying and landing in Tocumwal (where there is a complete RA aircraft [nameless] buried in anger). Having backtracked and found her and exchanged vows or whatever they were doing, decided to return, flying over the southern alps and missing Gippsland but neverthe less struggling around the mountains for a safe landing at home back in NSW. Or the BW statement "doesn't matter if the engine stops, I can get down anywhere!" Or when he did, his immortal comment "God made sh!t; XXXXXXX engines gave it wings." The Vic government girls in the Cabinet loved the stories, but poor old Turbo's roads were covered in potholes until ...........................

...that Cook character, smarmy but very prickly and prone to............

..........."Priceless acting Turbo, you can peel the latex and ooze pouch off now." and he turned to the room and said " If you, as soldiers ever get into a situation where the enemy has duped you and you may be mentally scarred as a result, always come to the clergy; we a trained in the psychology to get your minds straight again. We come from a long line that used to walk with God and he smote down this person and smote down that person all dat long, so we became hardened and wise to the tricks of ............

.....armpits........and Turbo trembled as he remember that cold June morning when he decided to go duck shooting in his boiler suit to keep warm. As he waited in the pre-dawn, unbeknown to him, the press studs had frozen and by a million to one chance something was caught in them. Suddenly there was a whistling sound and a flight of black ducks came in hugh. As the Holland and Holland fired off the frozen studs tore off a piece of his.........................

.......exception, as long as you don't wear those long gowns and sashes. I'll lend you a pair of RM moleskins and I've just broken in, after eight years, a pair of RM boots you can have. PA responded "That's OK Cappy I've got my own RM Moleskins and boots from the campdrafting competititions. Mummy thought I was doing dressage in the coat and jhodpurs, but what happens at the Gympie Muster stays at the Gympie Muster and here's a photo of me bull riuding at the "Curry". Cappy looked at her with a new respect; "You're not looking for a bodyguard are you?" he asked "I'm from the Khyber Brigade where we sometimes had to shoot at point blank range!" Given that the only point blank range shot he fired in that war was into Turbo, that was a bit rich, but PA said ......................................

.........before things started to atrophy. Hearing the word "trophy" Cappy woke up from his nap. PA said "Who are you?" and he started the long titles handed down from 8 generations of Cooks. PA turned back to her horse and continued grooming it and Cappy was left at ..............

Forget it.

Line 1 This was in answer to what someone else had said. It means that if you fail to discharge your duty of care, and someone can prove that, they can sue you. The simple answer to that is to make yourself aware of the process - which I've recommened many times on this site. Line 2 You are the one using the word inequity. I, having direct involvement in many cases for about 8 years; so on-the-ground direct experience with the system have never found it iniquitous. We certainly lost some cases which ran into millions of dollars, but we learnt very quickly what duty of care was. Line 4 I'm not answering invented BS!

RAA inc from memory had the protection of the Associated Incoprporations Act in the ACT from memory which was designed to protect sporting bodies in the shift across from governments paying out for injuries/deaths to the participants having their own responsibility to do so. In the Act were certain indemnities. All the details are on this site somewhere. Although some of us argued against it and pointed out the above, others got sucked in by the thought of being a Company. The most famous or infamous quote I remember was "There's no point in having a dog and barking yourself" So we now have this ill-fit, which has largely been hidden by the relatively cases where injuries/deaths came through as claims. You are quite right - we lost control as a result and we lost those indemnities. Here's a link to the Associations Incorporations Act 1991, A1991-46, Republication No 40, Effective 9 June, 2025. https://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1991-46/ Members and officials Liability protection is covered in Section 51 Page 35 - Liability of Officers and Members.

If you were trained by CASA (or its predecessors), and you were Licensed by CASA to fly under certain conditions and you were endorsed on certain aircraft, CASA has the duty of care - a bit like road third party. However, the part you missed was the "Self Administration" words used throughout Australia from the mid '80s for just about all non essential things like sports. The self administrator who sets up something, trains people, makes rules etc. has a duty of care along with their trainers, officials etc. For about the last 30 years or so in recreational flying where allowed people to build their own aircraft on a hobby basis and fly it cheaply, I would say the 10,000 members have been happy with the system, and produced a reasonal safety history. I don't understand why the constant bitching just goes on and on.

You certainly waste your time talking about the past and some unrelated flying example; but I note you've steered clear of talking about any professional advice on PL; you always revert back to pre-PL days and they are never coming back no matter how much you don't like the present.

There's a lot of squirming going on here. No point in picking your favourite comparisons; public liability can apply to a plum stone or a fence you put up or pitching a tent. No point in picking your own fantasy scenario; the precedent has been rock solid for a long time.

The ways of the past, pretty much everything before 1986 don't apply any more. So yes it might sound like a stuck record, but believe me our Australian State Governments and the Commonwealth are never going back to the days when they paid out on your behalf. Today WE pay for OUR activities.

.......many other down to e arth statements which would qualify her up there with the best of the BNS stars and weren't they amazing. Turbo remembers one night after the steaks were on the open fire, and Cappy had one the circle work with his P76 Ute, an unlikely contender but driven within an inch of its life with liberal use of ......