Pilot flys for 13 years with no licence.

[flying dog]

A bit like the opposite side of the "Catch me if you can" coin.

 

Ok, sorry.  Maybe not.

 

 

[onetrack]

I watched this yesterday and had a good laugh at his first job application, where he lied he'd previously been employed by Aladdin Airlines! LOL

 

The bloke had more cheek than an elephants bum, asking to use the SAS Airlines flight simulator after hours! Imagine the response if one of us rang up Qantas or Virgin and asked to use their simulator when it wasn't occupied!?

 

Edited Monday at 08:19 AM by onetrack

[rgmwa]

It's been a while since I last read it, but in `Fate is the Hunter' Ernie Gann describes a similar incident where he encountered an unqualified pilot who went on to kill himself and his passengers some years later. 

[facthunter]

There was a Canadian fellow employed by TAA who wasn't properly Licenced. He was dispensed with. I think he had flown for quite a few years, here, and would have done all the Normal checks with the company. Plenty fake Log book entries. It's not worth the risk. Nev

[jackc]

10 minutes ago, facthunter said:

There was a Canadian fellow employed by TAA who wasn't properly Licenced. He was dispensed with. I think he had flown for quite a few years, here, and would have done all the Normal checks with the company. Plenty fake Log book entries. It's not worth the risk. Nev

You don’t need a licence to fly an aircraft, the aircraft does not care IF you don’t have one, it flies the same, regardless.

Yes, it is very prudent to have a licence?  But, I have to ask…..did the Wright Brothers have one?  Or any other very early Aviators? 
Having  a licence, does not mean you fly properly, or even safely?  The buck stops with YOU, as a  Licenced Pilot to be as safe as possible👍 🤩  Consider many people who have car licences, but by their manner of operation, should not have a licence?

[facthunter]

Pilot's do 4 simulator sessions a Year and several Line checks. Failure to Perform satisfactorily on any occasion Means NO flying. They can also be medicalled out for alcoholism , Mental issues Personality disorders. etc.. Nev

[rgmwa]

9 hours ago, jackc said:

You don’t need a licence to fly an aircraft, the aircraft does not care IF you don’t have one, it flies the same, regardless.

Yes, it is very prudent to have a licence?  But, I have to ask…..did the Wright Brothers have one?  Or any other very early Aviators? 
Having  a licence, does not mean you fly properly, or even safely?  The buck stops with YOU, as a  Licenced Pilot to be as safe as possible👍 🤩  Consider many people who have car licences, but by their manner of operation, should not have a licence?

Yes, but if you're pretending to be a qualified commercial pilot flying paying passengers for an airline, that puts you into a very different category than flying solo around the backblocks without a licence in a C152. You may be a great natural pilot but both are illegal and one carries a very substantial risk to the general public. 

[onetrack]

I would have to say the commercial system has developed the licencing system it has over many decades, and many training upgrades, after crashes caused by inadequate training or knowledge.

The transfer of knowledge via instructors is much more comprehensive than just learning from books and studying technical manuals.

An instructor is watching for you making dangerous mistakes, doing character assessment to pick up on your weaknesses, and to try and strengthen those weaknesses. Plus, they will hand out tips that will not be in books or manuals.

Finally, the flight tests to award you an ATPL is to judge how capable you are, and if you can make the grade on every aspect of flying commercially - all done by senior peers.

Remember that flight crew have huge responsibilities besides just flying the aircraft, from the control of errant pax, right through to handling emergencies in a professional and capable manner.

And the position of a qualified RPT captain is a position that is highly regarded, and brings with it great respect, and elevated social status. To try and make out you have an ATPL when you haven't, is treated as a serious criminal offence.

[facthunter]

There's 2nd and first class ATPLs You have to have a First Class Licence to Log "In Command" Hours but often the TYPE Endorsement standard is the same for Both  crew meaning that In the event of an Engine failure the Co Pilot is able to control the Aircraft Legal and qualified... IF 2  Ist class ATPL's are operating there Must Be A DESIGNATED In Command Pilot decided CLEARLY for each Leg or situation.. ICUS Means in Command under supervision and is Logged as Command. Co Pilot time is only counted as 50% of  the flight duty time. To get a Ist ATPL you must have a Min of 1500 Hours in command, There Used to Be a SENIOR COMMERCIAL Licence which I have. but it's no Longer recognised as of about 1993. 

 ATPL's are an Airline thing where you operate under an AOC (Air Operator Certificate ) that Must be valid for the Organisation you work for. and you operate according to their CASA Approved Manuals. Nev