CASA will expand access to controlled airspace for sport and recreation pilots from 2025.

[BurnieM]

Before Christmas....

[BurnieM]

Year not specified 🙂

 

[coljones]

9 minutes ago, BurnieM said:

Year not specified 🙂

 

"from 2025"

[BurnieM]

Still got 20 more days 😀😟

 

[turboplanner]

You're asking for rumours; why?

Why don't you just ask CASA and get the truth?

[Reynard]

CASA just released feedback on their Class 5 medical survey. The majority of respondents indicated Class 5 holders should be allowed into CTA.

 

No big surprise there - other than a Class 5 being the minimum. 

[BurnieM]

CTA access paper - https://consultation.casa.gov.au/regulatory-program/pp-2412os/results/soconpp2412os.pdf

 

CTA access for RPC holders was going to happen regardless of med 5 feedback. 

The huge political problem called Western Sydney made sure of that.

 

CASA CTA access press release

- https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/news-media-releases-and-speeches/access-controlled-airspace-and-controlled-aerodromes-sport-and-recreation-pilots

 

"Under the proposal, pilots would need to meet established CASA requirements for:

• English language proficiency
• competency in using a radio to communicate with air traffic control
• pilot competencies, including in navigation, flight planning, emergency, weather and airspace clearances
• minimum medical requirements."

 

So looks like you may need radio, AELP and cross country nav as precursors to the CTA endorsement.

Wording of the medical requirement is a slight backdown from the original version of this statement that had Med 5.

 

The real question is when and neither CASA nor RAAus currently seem prepared to make a statement.

 

Edited Thursday at 10:37 PM by BurnieM

[T510]

I recently enquired about Group G and was told they are currently working on the training required to add a group G RPC, so you will need a separate group G RPC if you want to fly Group G aircraft

 

RAAus are also working on the CofA requirements to move a VH reg plane to RAAus reg.

 

It's just a pity that only Part 66 licenced LAME's will be able to maintain Group G aircraft unless you are the builder

[BrendAn]

5 minutes ago, T510 said:

I recently enquired about Group G and was told they are currently working on the training required to add a group G RPC, so you will need a separate group G RPC if you want to fly Group G aircraft

 

RAAus are also working on the CofA requirements to move a VH reg plane to RAAus reg.

 

It's just a pity that only Part 66 licenced LAME's will be able to maintain Group G aircraft unless you are the builder

You have always been able to change a VH to raaus. Or is that up to 600 kg only

 

[BurnieM]

You can get a RPL and do AFR and RAAus will give you a group G RPC

[T510]

10 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

You have always been able to change a VH to raaus. Or is that up to 600 kg only

 

I wasn't too clear on that was I.

 

To transfer a Group G aircraft from VH to RAAus would currently require a CofA from a CASA Airworthiness Delegate. RAAus are trying to come up with an alternative.

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, T510 said:

I wasn't too clear on that was I.

 

To transfer a Group G aircraft from VH to RAAus would currently require a CofA from a CASA Airworthiness Delegate. RAAus are trying to come up with an alternative.

I was looking at changing a titan tornado from VH to raaus . Spoke to Darren Barnfield. As long as I had the original coa it was straight forward. They only needed the original. Didn't have to get a new one 

[T510]

Just now, BrendAn said:

I was looking at changing a titan tornado from VH to raaus . Spoke to Darren Barnfield. As long as I had the original coa it was straight forward. They only needed the original. Didn't have to get a new one 

That's not what RAAus told me on Tuesday when I called to enquire about transferring a VH reg aircraft to Group G. They said a new CofA is required and needs to be issued by a CASA Airworthiness delegate

[skippydiesel]

I'm confused.

 

To enter CTA, subject to the aircraft having the required transponder/transceiver and the pilot having a CTA endorsement, what relevance does the registration of the aircraft have?😈

[BrendAn]

7 minutes ago, T510 said:

That's not what RAAus told me on Tuesday when I called to enquire about transferring a VH reg aircraft to Group G. They said a new CofA is required and needs to be issued by a CASA Airworthiness delegate

It must be a group g thing I would say.

[BrendAn]

7 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

I'm confused.

 

To enter CTA, subject to the aircraft having the required transponder/transceiver and the pilot having a CTA endorsement, what relevance does the registration of the aircraft have?😈

Your always confused about something.😁

[Blueadventures]

8 minutes ago, T510 said:

That's not what RAAus told me on Tuesday when I called to enquire about transferring a VH reg aircraft to Group G. They said a new CofA is required and needs to be issued by a CASA Airworthiness delegate

Sometimes you need to re state what you have records wise and what you want to achieve, at times may not digest the information while on the phone.  Best to email the question with any supporting info you believe is necessary and then phone so it allows the necessary time to give an answer, this considers what they have on the desk to do and what they have just one.  They are busy sorting aviation stuff for us.  They are for us and helping us within the rules.

[Blueadventures]

4 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Your always confused about something.😁

Agree, just the depth and amount that changes, sadly for us.  🙃😁🏏

[T510]

4 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Sometimes you need to re state what you have records wise and what you want to achieve, at times may not digest the information while on the phone.  Best to email the question with any supporting info you believe is necessary and then phone so it allows the necessary time to give an answer, this considers what they have on the desk to do and what they have just one.  They are busy sorting aviation stuff for us.  They are for us and helping us within the rules.

No need, I am sure the info RAAus supplied to me is correct.

 

I misunderstood Brendan's comment, the Titan Tornado is not a group G aircraft, the requirement for a new CofA is only for Group G aircraft.

[Reynard]

I have no knowledge of the matter, but I can theorise what training packages would need to be developed within RA-AUS to then roll out to instructors to effect a CTA endorsement.  Then making sure instructors are actually current with Class C and D  procedures themselves, and also have access to an aircraft with the right gear to enable instruction and entry into CTA.

 

All of that takes time….and maybe a decade or however long it has been since first mooted, hasn’t been long enough.😎

[skippydiesel]

5 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

I'm confused.

 

To enter CTA, subject to the aircraft having the required transponder/transceiver and the pilot having a CTA endorsement, what relevance does the registration of the aircraft have?😈

So am I correct/incorrect?????😈 

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

So am I correct/incorrect?????😈 

What!!!  no one knows?

😈

[turboplanner]

59 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

What!!!  no one knows?

😈

This was rumour from some years ago which has been added to and added to by some people who have never studied the system, what's there now, what qualifications are required, what aircraft are required, what procedures are required, what equipment is required, and it was sold to the members by the rumourmongers as something new, hence my advice.

 

As far back as 2010 Motzart Merv, an RA Instructor  was operating in it daily, legally, to teach his students.

[BrendAn]

24 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

This was rumour from some years ago which has been added to and added to by some people who have never studied the system, what's there now, what qualifications are required, what aircraft are required, what procedures are required, what equipment is required, and it was sold to the members by the rumourmongers as something new, hence my advice.

 

As far back as 2010 Motzart Merv, an RA Instructor  was operating in it daily, legally, to teach his students.

 

Allowing pilots with rpc into CTA will be new. 

An raaus reg aircraft has always been allowed if equipped with the required equipment but the pilot had to hold an RPL.

 

I had an xair which had all the gear and the previous owner was a retired commercial pilot. 

 

Edited Friday at 08:55 AM by BrendAn

[Reynard]

….and the RPL holder has a current CASA medical.