Oddball, Experimental, or One-off

[BrendAn]

10 minutes ago, facthunter said:

So you think a Nuclear power Plant would be appropriate for that Purpose?  Nev

What else can provide enough power to keep a huge electric fleet going.  I know solar is good but how many thousands acres would they need to be of any use.

[facthunter]

Aluminium Smelters would use more. Nev

[kgwilson]

Fortescue Rio Tinto & BHP are all installing solar farms and batteries. 50 megawatts of solar panels requires only about 80-90 hectares. The desert has plenty of empty space & Batteries can be swapped out in a few minutes, less time than it takes to refuel with diesel. In the Janus initial trials in 2022 a fully loaded B-Double easily got to Coffs Harbour on a single charge & the battery was swapped out in 15 minutes. The driver though had a compulsory minimum 2 hour layover before he could continue to Brisbane or go back to Melbourne.

 

Rooftop solar already produces more energy than all of the power stations in Australia including Hydro. The spot price often goes negative in the middle of the day as the grid is awash with power. The problem is storage. Massive battery systems resolve this.

[facthunter]

Australia is Probably the Most suited country to use solar, Tidal, Wind and Pump Hydro. Remote inland places could be a Virtual independent Oasis off grid and  entirely Airconditioned with solar and batteries. Big tides near Broome etc could be harnessed. We could have it ALL with a bit of foresight. Electric..... Silent non polluting and vibrationless Instant starting no warm up and regenerative,.  When in all of history has such  things been Possible and so available.?   Nev

[Thruster88]

EV batteries require a cooling system so swap systems are not likely to be the answer. Max Verstappen had to retire from the Chinese GP last weekend because the cooling system for the 1.1 kwh battery failed in the hybrid power unit.

[facthunter]

Are you saying that Because some failure on a complex F1 race car happened, EVs are Not any good.. I really can't  see the Logic of that.  Nev

[Siso]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

So you think a Nuclear power Plant would be appropriate for that Purpose?  Nev

Yes- Micro reactors are coming and it is a no brainer. Being developed for remote community's and mines in Canada. The main problem is that they need their 20 years worth of fuel from new.

[Moneybox]

2 minutes ago, Siso said:

Yes- Micro reactors are coming and it is a no brainer. Being developed for remote community's and mines in Canada. The main problem is that they need their 20 years worth of fuel from new.

They might be good when they eventually get here but the reports I saw meant that most of us will be pushing up daisies before they are installed. 

[BrendAn]

25 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Australia is Probably the Most suited country to use solar, Tidal, Wind and Pump Hydro. Remote inland places could be a Virtual independent Oasis off grid and  entirely Airconditioned with solar and batteries. Big tides near Broome etc could be harnessed. We could have it ALL with a bit of foresight. Electric..... Silent non polluting and vibrationless Instant starting no warm up and regenerative,.  When in all of history has such  things been Possible and so available.?   Nev

I agree about tidal generation. I don't know why there isn't more of it.

[Thruster88]

28 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Are you saying that Because some failure on a complex F1 race car happened, EVs are Not any good.. I really can't  see the Logic of that.  Nev

No not at all, I am all for green energy and EV's. Just saying without the battery cooling system the car could not continue. Battery cooling systems are required for both fast charge and high discharge like a truck or performance vehicle would encounter. 

[skippydiesel]

53 minutes ago, Siso said:

Yes- Micro reactors are coming and it is a no brainer. Being developed for remote community's and mines in Canada. The main problem is that they need their 20 years worth of fuel from new.

To the best of my understanding (low bar) we ( human species)  do not have a safe  (as in never pollute/ irradiate, current or future generations) method of  disposing of the spent fuel.

 

Should this be correct (??)- all we are doing, is polluting our one & only home (sh..ing in our back yard) to the detriment of generations to come.

 

".. no brainer" might just be the way to describe advocates of atomic power stations/ weapons.

 

😈

[facthunter]

That's a tiny battery doing a big Job in the F1 car where  every Ounce counts.  Nev

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, Moneybox said:

They might be good when they eventually get here but the reports I saw meant that most of us will be pushing up daisies before they are installed. 

Pretty sure there are portable reactors available now. They are mounted in sea containers so they must be small. Maybe I read it wrong. Will try and find the article

 

[BrendAn]

We have an abundance of natural gas that could be powering vehicles here instead of being sold offshore for next to nothing

[kgwilson]

5 minute battery swap systems are already here (in China) so are 15 minute truck battery swap systems (in NZ & Australia) so where is the problem?

[BrendAn]

34 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

To the best of my understanding (low bar) we ( human species)  do not have a safe  (as in never pollute/ irradiate, current or future generations) method of  disposing of the spent fuel.

 

Should this be correct (??)- all we are doing, is polluting our one & only home (sh..ing in our back yard) to the detriment of generations to come.

 

".. no brainer" might just be the way to describe advocates of atomic power stations/ weapons.

 

😈

Australia is the perfect place to set up a nuclear waste facility.

Would add a lot of money to the economy too. We sell it to other countries so we should be able to take it back for disposal too. Well storage I should say.

 

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, kgwilson said:

5 minute battery swap systems are already here (in China) so are 15 minute truck battery swap systems (in NZ & Australia) so where is the problem?

Been in forklifts all over Australia for years.

[facthunter]

Natural Gas is a Misnomer. There's no Natural coal. Natural gas would be a Fart and it doesn't have to be fracked The chemicals used in fracking are no good for the earth. Nev

[BrendAn]

4 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Natural Gas is a Misnomer. There's no Natural coal. Natural gas would be a Fart and it doesn't have to be fracked The chemicals used in fracking are no good for the earth. Nev

There is no fracking offshore that I know of. Maybe in the Roma basin.

No natural coal. Did someone bury it there.

Edited 1 hour ago by BrendAn

[facthunter]

Ok if the waste is stored some where near you, BrendAn ? It will be near someone. and artesian water goes underground  LNG contributes to C02, The whole World sees Nuclear Waste as a serious Problem. Nev

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, kgwilson said:

Fortescue Rio Tinto & BHP are all installing solar farms and batteries. 50 megawatts of solar panels requires only about 80-90 hectares. The desert has plenty of empty space & Batteries can be swapped out in a few minutes, less time than it takes to refuel with diesel. In the Janus initial trials in 2022 a fully loaded B-Double easily got to Coffs Harbour on a single charge & the battery was swapped out in 15 minutes. The driver though had a compulsory minimum 2 hour layover before he could continue to Brisbane or go back to Melbourne.

 

Rooftop solar already produces more energy than all of the power stations in Australia including Hydro. The spot price often goes negative in the middle of the day as the grid is awash with power. The problem is storage. Massive battery systems resolve this.

Twiggy at Fortescue would  be far more interested in what he can take off the taxpayer in the form of grants from the government.

Same as corporations building all those wind farms for carbon credits.

[Siso]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

Ok if the waste is stored some where near you, BrendAn ? It will be near someone. and artesian water goes underground  LNG contributes to C02, The whole World sees Nuclear Waste as a serious Problem. Nev

Would not bother me at all, then I could walk to work. Spent fuel is political and public perception problem , not an engineering one. Thought this was an oddball aircraft thread.

[BrendAn]

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Ok if the waste is stored some where near you, BrendAn ? It will be near someone. and artesian water goes underground  LNG contributes to C02, The whole World sees Nuclear Waste as a serious Problem. Nev

Actually a lot of countries are looking at nuclear power. In your own words. Do some research.

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, Siso said:

Would not bother me at all, then I could walk to work. Spent fuel is political and public perception problem , not an engineering one. Thought this was an oddball aircraft thread.

Well the Thunderbirds did have a nuclear powered air liner.😁

[BrendAn]

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Actually a lot of countries are looking at nuclear power. In your own words. Do some research.

And before you say it I am not being rude or anything else. If you do some searching you will find lots of info about modern nuclear power.