johnm

Motz ............... or any instructor

Of the 3 personality types you mention (assuming that is true) (over confident, under confident, and anti authority) ................. be great to hear some instructor experiences about what its like to teach the 3 types to fly

Yes - i'd iamgine the movie won't get on the list of all time greats, but

He certianly liked flying, booze and drugs .................... and not in that order either

I thought the ending - about when his son asked him (Denzel - his dad) a question .......... was a great message (thesaurus says use the word 'poignant' at this point)

very convincing andy - you might get the $ 200 lame account paid by medicare

just keep studying the planes (and the numbers therein) for sale in the Sport Pilot mag eaglei ............ There are other sources as well

......... good time to buy (planes might get even cheaper - could be a bad time yo buy)

looks like they are going to be picky

no mention of salary ............... if I was an employer trying to snare someone - renumeration should be always mentioned (apart from flying instructors ......... its one of the fundamental reasons why we work)

(could be the reverse of 'sir if you must ask the price you can't possibly afford it)

yes ......... also about when the early radio stations broardcast (the 1920's) they were very powerful to tansmit some distance - farmers said the could the broardcast through there fence lines (fences acting as as a radio receiver)

'hell hath no fury like a women's scorn' ....................... (except my wife of course)

when I worked in nz as a loader driver for aerial topdressing .......... 2 planes working the one strip that day - i can always remember the 2 fletcher pilots talking about some previous summer they both worked a strip together in the 'nude' - a very informal dress standard (I assumed they where in separate aricraft when this occured)

epaulets ? - don't see them in these parts - would n't worry me

I guess if you want to fly that would be the least of the wearers worries ............... you can't judge a book by its cover

a lot of times - when the conversation is getting say .............. embroiled (good word that), if someone makes a comment that you are specifcally referring to - you should mention that persons name - avatar otherwise everyone else thinks that comment is fired at them (the conversation then starts to broil)

even using a quote from the person may not mean you are referring to that ............ but the conversation that was generated by the quote

if you get my drift

Merv - an instructor's flying will be closer to perfection than my flying will ever be

On the question of who can make an educated statement about instruction (assuming thats what you said) - I am educated in flying a plane and any discussion regarding instruction I am interested in - thats why I am having a go at the discussion. I am also assuming there is no erthereal concept us uneducated are breeching ?

I am not an instructor

Volksy - the comments about under the bridge where tough and not called for - those bloody instructors do live up high so you'll just have to agree that they are not as perfect as what they think they are

..................... I don't reckon that if you are a bad instructor you will always be a bad one - surely that must be training and persistence that can change to good also - just like learning to fly. We all start off knowing nothing and we learn along the way

................ to be a good instructor does not mean being a member of an exclusive club. You could argue that of all the pilots out there there is lots of good instructor material - its just they prefer to pull the heads of chickens, fix cars, paint houses, etc - they have and will not ever consider being a flying instructor - maybe because there appears to be enough of them anyway

I'd say I have 10 instrucors and there was always a wide variation in their character and teaching style - never a bad one that I can recall - along the way I have seen myself and some instructors make silly mistakes - all quiet a worthwhile social interaction really

Good subject Nev25 - a top of the morning to all instructurs

Any scrutiny of what an instrcutor is / does is good ............ its a facet of aviation non instructors could learn from (diregarding bias, rock throwing etc etc)

rd - forgiveness might be easier to obtain than permission ...................... however I suspect this is not the case for CASA

an option could be a local aerial ag operator ......... if you have one handy - hose the hopper out ........................... they'd probably not flinch an eye in performing the drop (a small cash donation to avoid the ATO would n't hurt either) (don't worry to much about the herb and insecticides - we are probably all breathing it in anyway)

or .................. you might have to hire a big cherry picker / find a car or pedestrian bridge / (cheaper) and lolly drop from there

or put a cannon (field gun type arrangement) down one end of the field and use the lollies as shrapnel (you could get on the front page with that one - great advertising and it could be the start of new, unique business). that will keep the aforesaid ATO happy as well

anyway good luck and please tell us what you did

I've heard in this local area that a flying instructor commandered a local aero club hangar and then operated it as his private place of business (no access to anyone else)

.................. needless to say the local members got their noses twisted and after a big legal fracas (of a number of years) the hangar was returned to the club and the said bsinessman spent time in the slammer

................... even if its not true its a great plot - I'll have to check my facts and let you know (................ please let it be true !)

we should 'feather the nest ' 'grease the wheels' 'press the flesh' 'fly the flag' 'move forward (sorry maj)' 'get to know our big brothers' etc etc

- a thread should be started 'the best thing about CASA'

Turbo - in this world of infinite possibilities - and out of interest its probable that there might be some wayward VH registrations as well ? ......................... I realsie 2 wrongs don't make a right, but, who audits CASA registrations of aircraft ?

(assuming they self audit with auditors of impeccable acumen)

.................. for the record I'm thinking 'GOVERNANCE' is an ethical parameter / boundary

(so it should not / can't be varied or replaced ...................... with anything we don't know of - I think)

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."

-- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."

"But what is it good for?"

-- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968,

commenting on the microchip.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."

-- Bill Gates, 1981

"The super computer is technologically impossible. It would take all of the water that flows over Niagara Falls to cool the heat generated by the number of vacuum tubes required."

-- Professor of Electrical Engineering, New York University

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."

-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

When I concerted to RAA it was all so simple and easy - no red tape (more pink if anything)

If you do have a problem with RAA (or RAA has a problem with you) ............................ you can ring them and you can get personal attention (can't imagine CASA could offer this personal attention or anything close to it)

I'm impreseed about page 31 & 32 of the last report

the audit reads (appears to me) that the plane was ......................... initially registered as a 'late flyer' ...................... latter hangared and called a 'Raven' (dec 2009) ................... examination of the file then revelaed that the plane was apparently a Cessna 150 (jul 2011 - letter from S Bell tecn manager to owner ? saying rego had been misrepresented - plane then still on VH register)

aircraft now off RAA register - CASA and federal police to investigate

Go for it guys - all this thrashing might create a solution

......................... please can you advise where you find these audits (seen them ............ but my little brain has forgot)

it was a very good opportunity for the apprentice comedians .................. though

good landing ................ excellent rudder control ........................... considering

Not to familiar with all this regulatory stuff but Maj raises some redeeming points about RAA

.................... the following has liberal lashings of optomism:

- perhaps RAA is good at what it does - positive outlook - hog tied membership - effective registration (a lot will burr up re rego) etc etc

- perhaps we undervalue RAA and what it achieves

- perhaps this should be reinforced more when dealing with CASA

- perhaps CASA knows this anyway (in for a penny, in for a pound ............... type of thing)

- perhaps RAA is in a good place to negotiate a better position with CASA