Tomo

I did some practice FL in a C172 with an instructor friend a while back and she asked me to abandon my space-shuttle manouvres because she didn't like staring at the ground instead of the horizon. She did admit, however, I would be in a better situation than most if things went s..tful in the circuit. kaz

Me and my steep glide approaches with 40 flap, and whoops, powers on idle... :black_eye: He told me I handle it very well, but please don't do that sort of thing for a normal approach.

Or go a couple extra miles north to Caboolture (if you're game) and I'm sure you could find a grassy spot to tie down, could get you a spot if you let me know. Wouldn't be under cover though.

Are you PPL? Just have to keep a mind on all the CTA stuff in the area.

...we will all start...

Hey mate, G'day and welcome along

May have even met before, flown at Clifton a bit at various times.

Join in and have fun. :big_grin:

Interesting to note that your drifter gets the same tail shake that I was talking about in another thread, I guess it must be a common Drifter thing and seems more noticable on climb out.

If you have full power on and pull it up just under the stall, you'll notice a wiggle through the stick. That's what made me think of it.

What do you reckon?

I've never actually noticed it on a WB503 with the smaller nose pod either.

Whooohooo congrats!

Thanks guys. And yep David, the front wheel just stops the prop from hitting the ground! You know, the Echo would be cool as a tail drager I reckon. :big_grin:

Pete, it's Zane's Tecnam - 3789 nick named "Goldie"

Bumped into Bob that day, he was doing a touch and go at Kilcoy in the Jab as I over flew for Somerset we found out after!

Thanks Mark, was good fun. :big_grin:

Tecnams do land well.

That's the 2nd 206 jump aircraft in the last few months that have ended in engine failures. Bit strange.

Good to see this one had a more comfortable outcome.

Isn't it great once it 'clicks'

Well done.

That sounds great Tomo! Thanks.

Is the video for you Scoob, bit of the area.

• In the Tecnam P92S - Flying from Caboolture to Somerset via Woodford, a touch and go at Kilcoy airfield and back to Caboolure via Woodford and the Glass house mountains.
   
  

• http://www.recreationalflying.com/forum/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=495&name=tecnam-p92s-caboolture-somerset-dam-kilcoy
   
  

What's the difference between hiring a trike and hiring something like a Drifter?

Sure there's the easily damaging it issue, but can't you just get pilots to sign a thingo to say in the case of damage - the pilot is responsible for fixing it (ie paying for it to be fixed etc...)

Obviously it would only be hired out to certain persons, and they get properly trained to the owners satisfaction.

Joys of living in the country - forgot it was even happening!

I was fortunate enough to be at my Uncles place the other night, and he had Austar so we watched the 10 most unique airports (or what ever it was called) on the History channel. Was very interesting!

Gibraltar was pretty cool I thought - got a highway running smack through the middle of the runway.

Heres a picture I found off someone from Google images.

Not wrong Scoob!

I took Goldie for a run over to Somerset dam and Kilcoy Friday morning, got some video I'll put together when I can.

Keep it up!

Thanks everyone, I'll make up some more sometime, and hopefully get a better quality front view happening.

Was hoping to get a landing with the rear view, but the memory ran out on that flight, so stay tuned for some more.

Pete, talking about seeing soon, I'm at Caboolture today, taking the Tecnam for a run this morning out to Kilcoy or something, then in the 172 for a few hrs around midday.

Clearly thats what im trying to say. But practice gets old very quickly. Even old timers with tonnes of hours do the same thing.

Now hows that for us pilots? Are we really that current? i_dunno

You may be good at self inflicted engine failure procedures, but when it happens for real, it gets your blood pumping quick. Particularly on climb out.

I thought I was pretty prep'd for all this engine failure stuff in my training, but the time I had a real one on take off - you look back later and go, "jimny crickets, that happened fast!"

If I was on my own in the Drifter I'd probably consider turning around at a minimum of 500ft, that most likely means engine failure at 600ft or more.

Think about it, engine quits unexpectedly, "Oh heck!" you maintain glide speed, (in LP aircraft, lower the nose promptly or else!). You look at the ground in front and go "Yuk" you then elect to turn around, which way do I go? Left or right? Wind, other traffic, pax screaming, downwind landing, highly possible overshoot etc......

So way back at the beginning where we had the first failure at 600ft, we've lost 3-4 seconds in decisions and procedures, what height are we now? is it still safe to turn back?

So we need to have the decision out of the way on the ground, under 600ft no turning back (or whatever your height is), over 600ft and we will depending on the conditions, the aircraft and the current performance. And the 600ft starts at the point of the turn, not at the time the motor quits. How good is your maths? Airfield elevation is 1700ft, what will + 600ft be? Try and figure that out for the first time, after your engine stops, and your pax is screaming, and.............

There just are so many variables.

EFATO's usually happen on the first take off for the day; are you current? You haven't flown this aircraft for a couple of weeks, do you think your performance standards are up to scratch?

It sounds all good in theory, but it happens fast in real life! I've had one stop on me at 6' off the deck, mayen't sound all that bad, but it certainly was an eye opener as to how fast things happen.

One thing my instructor always told me - you can survive a controlled forward facing crash 90% of the time. But every person that cartwheels in kills themselves, as seat belts don't hold your body together going sideways, and broken backs often occur, then you die, and your aircraft is the size of a foot ball.

So I guess if you attempted a turn back, and you find you aren't going to make it, roll wings level and carry out a controlled crash, don't hit the ground in a turn! And don't run out of Air! In other words, keep the thing flying, don't let it stall!

Just my 2 cents

I got my Cert in 24.5hrs.

X-country bumped it up to about 36hrs dual, had 11.5hrs solo as well. So if you work that out, 47.5hrs > PAX, X, 2S, TW, NW, LP, HP, HF <

Trained in a LP tail wheel aircraft - did the HP NW conversion in there as well.

Someone was saying how little RAA pilots get trained compared to a GA PPL. Just don't forget to add the x country onto the hrs, pretty much the same hrs then. Just half the aircraft cost!! :thumb_up:

Always good Pete! :thumb_up:

$50 landing fee at Chinchilla? Never knew that, never been charged it either! Seems a little outrages, but the AvGas is a good price there.

Mike's a very knowledgable chap, Ag pilot, flew in PNG for most of his flying career, check & training captain on all those beautiful old aircraft. He's the tail wheel guru, ask him about DC3's...... :thumb_up:

Got his pilots license in 1964, hows that for experience eh? worth listening too!

• Some flying around in a SB582 Drifter, sorry about the video quality, not real good, but will give an idea of what it looks like.
   
  

• http://www.recreationalflying.com/forum/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=494&name=drifter-experience-tail-perspective
   
  

Ah thanks Andrew - tomo at recreationalflying.com will do it

Ok, so I've compiled the photos into a calendar and taken screen shots for you to check out.

You may think it a little odd for a photo competition to consist of a photo from basically every entrant, but we didn't get as many entrants as first anticipated. Fortunately every entry was of quite good character, and quality. So I've mixed and matched them around. The all time best I think is the Yellow foxbat, so you get the front cover. :thumb_up:

Please check it out and let me know of any changes you want done, or titles you want added to any dates etc...

If you do see your photo in there, you could help me out by sending the full quality version to my email address - tomo at recreationalflying dot com dot au

Or you will receive a PM in the next day or so asking for it.

Thanks all, and let me know what you think.

]'Those Magnificiant Men....' digging them out. Bet no one on board had a paddle either.