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Regular readers of the NES will surely know that this is a lie by Turbo, as they also surely know that with a hot chick like that on the premises, Rathole would not have wasted time taking a photo, but instead, Ratty would have planted a couple of "Likes" on Turbo's neck and immediately tried to crack-on, then suggested that they check out the back seat of Turbo's Corvette. 

 

"Bugger pictures when there is a good sort to be ravaged" Ratpoo would have said.

 

 

 

"Besides that, everyone knows that Turbo is a "Tea Leaf" not a "Green Leaf"" added Bandy.

 

......... he/she/it used to force the 12 Incher to perform acts upon him/her/it, of which (and as is usual with him) Randy Bandy is not proud in retrospect but which felt pretty good at the time, and which ...................

 

 

 

 

My Aunt reckons that "%$#@#$% %^&^%$ ^&&^%$ &^%%$#@" as mentioned above by Turdy, just looks like a very detailed description of Madge, ..... and he is a big one too.

If Ratpoo had planted a couple on Turbo's neck, Turbo would have supplied a sharp kneebone to the goolies, and Ratty would have sought other interests. He had always had soft features and knew he was attractive to men, or in this case male rats because of an incident which occurred long ago in his youth.

He used to volunteer to cut sandwiches in the CWA tent at the Maggott's Retreat Annual Show. He didn't do it for benevolence; it was a great way to pick up the new talent in town.

On this occasion he was working steadily up the bench towards the hips of a particularly attractive little blond when the CWA President said "Stop everyone, I want to draw your attention to our wonderful Volunteer, young Turbo here, who has just cut up 15 dozen sandwiches. What a WONDERful effort!" and with that threw her arms around him and gave him an enormous sloppy kiss. Just then Mrs McGillivray, who was a new arrival to the town from the more restrained atmosphere of Broken Hill, walked in and before she could stop herself blurted out "The President's a Dyke!"

It was than that Turbo knew something was wrong, and after a few weeks of trying to crack on to the little blonde, he came up with a strategy, and with a sad face he told her he was gay and would never know the joys of pure love. It worked perfectly and she immediately set about proving he was wrong. Although he managed to restrain himself very well at first his big mistake was to say to her "But what if I just lose total control" whereupon he received the most excruciating knee to the groin and she smilingly said "Well I'll just do that" and he realised she was ahead of him.

However he did persuade her to show him how it was done (the knee thing) in case someone like Young Rat tried it on.

As for Randy Bandy

..........caused him to develop warts on his fingers, and......

Madge is licking his wounds a bit, because big @#&* though he is, he was rounded up by a pair of demented academics who changed their argument 180 degreees every time he had them treed, and they used words which Miss Marples at his Primary School never taught him, even when she.............

You wouldn't be hung, but you could be charged with manslaughter if you killed your passenger.

The definition of a Joyflight is usually a flight for which money is charged, and has its origins in the 1920's where pilots would buy an aircraft and travel the country like gypsies offering "Joyflights" for cash.

Taking a friend or interested party up for a flight is not a Joyflight, so there's nothing to stop you doing this in Recreational Aviation.

There is no provision within RAA regulations for commercial activities, so you can't charge for a flight beyond 50/50 sharing of costs and you can't fly for business purposes, so you can't advertise and conduct "Joyflights".

The aircraft which prompted this thread operated in GA.

In GA there is provision for commercial activities, but it requires an elevation of safety by:

• Skill level, knowledge and experience of the pilot in the form of a Commercial Pilot's Licence (CPL)
   
   
  
• An AOC (Air Operators Certificate) which provides and extensive safety platform from facilities to maintenance to operating procedures to safety procedures.
   
   
  

There may be other requirements I've missed. Once you have a suitably compliant airfield, facilities, aircraft and qualifications, you can advertise and conduct Joyflights and other commercial operations which you are qualified for.

The TIF always was a Trial Instructional Flight, directly related to and Instructor and potential student to gauge whether there was a future in learning to fly, and involves the potential student operating the controls over a period long enough to make an assessment - usually not less than 45 minutes. While a successful TIF can be entered in the logbook as dual TIF, the formal training curriculum starts with the first lesson.

These requirements also came out of the wild west days where joyflights sometimes became charter flights and a lot of innocent passengers were killed.

In recent times I've noticed around five people losing their licences for either failing to comply with the AOC requirements, or on two occasions after excited passengers posted their videos on Youtube. In one case it seems a pilot has lost his rights for life. So CASA have been taking things very seriously.

One of the reasons I imagine CASA are paying so much attention is that a person taking a joyflight has an expectation that all safety standards he's come to expect from airlines and commercial operations will be met. When this duty of care is not met, all the people involved are open to a public liability claim for negligence. Where they knew they were not complying, and someone is injured or killed the matter becomes a crime and they can be charged right up to the level of manslaughter.

So given you are talking about FTF's (RAA term) operating joyflights under the "guise" of TIFs, line 1 applies - I wouldn't go there under any circumstances for any reason whatsoever.

Cut the waffle - supply some facts. In effect, put up or shut up.

When the products eventually get on to the market, and if those products establish a commercially reliable performance, then that will be the time to crow about it.

I wish both manufacturers well with their plans.

...........%$#@#$% %^&^%$ ^&&^%$ &^%%$#@ - there it's out, but don't tell anyone.

Turbo responded in his usually refrained and abstract manner: "If B12 spills any more beans he's going to be B2." he said, brandishing a Kukra, which.......

Turbo was grossly embarrassed by the photo published by Low as a Rat. He'd invited him into his home, and that bloody Rat must have snapped it with his camera. It's true that Turbo is a member of the Green Leaf Society, which never publicises its constant focus on chivalry, helping poor fallen ladies in distress, and supplying hot dogs at the annual Hanging Rock Race Meeting, but now the Dirty Rat had exposed our secret. What...........

.......set upon by members of the local CWA branch, apparently with an appetite for something more urgent than tomato soup, and.......

...........mangy blue heeler with worms.

In fact Turbo can report that some are saying worse things than that on a current thread when he dared to inject some reality into it, and then............

.....was he full of chemicals.

"I prefer organics" she said "I like to get at least one organic a day, and of possible doubles or triples" but the with the likes of Ratstud, Poxy and Salty that happens less and less these days"

"I was thinking of trying Madge out but someone said he was like a rooster, and................."

The title of this thread is: "major weaknesses addressed." Since you appear to be unfamiliar with the definition of addressed, let me draw your attention to the Oxforddictionaries.com definition of 'addressed':'think about and begin to deal with (an issue or problem)'

 

In fact, CAMit have not only addressed, but with the evidence of results I believe will be able to show that they have redressed, some major weaknesses. Your initial comment demonstrates ignorance of the correct use of the terminology. We will have to await and see if the results of addressing the issues is successful.

".....Organic Christmas Surprise."

"There will be surprises in many homes next year then" said...........

Do the statistics on engine failure identify the cause of the engine failure? I've been trying for years to get authoritative data on any aero engines that breaks down the causes in sufficient detail to allow one to identify design priorities. However, the term "engine failure" includes fuel starvation, fuel mismanagement, misuse of mixture controls (tho not on Jabirus, obviously), carbie icing, failure of accessories such as magnetors, fuel pumps etc. Hell, one of the things Zoos mentioned was a leaky oil cooler. The oil cooler is an AIRFRAME part, you goose, not an engine part - except on those Continentals that build it into the engine. So how the blazes can anybody pin anything down onto the engine design, given such sloppy handling of the data? All right, there's an issue with Jabiru through bolts. Can you identify exactly what is the cause of that issue? I bet you cannot; and don't just tell me "it's because they are not strong enough" - if that were the case, the cylinders would fly off the first time the throttle was opened. It's much more subtle than that, and likely has a number of contributing factors. So, there have been some valve failures. Where's the metallurgical analysis to show why they failed? Without that, the only conclusion one could reach is that we'd be better off with 2-strokes that do not have valves. These data are simply too superficial to be useful. So people like Maj can rant, but it cuts no ice at all. First, fix the data base so it provides some fundamental engineering data - and mind you make sure it's correct.I'm more than ever reminded of the dog that chases cars, but wouldn't know what to do with one if he caught it. Pray tell me, exactly what could RAA do, that would be really useful, with your data base, if they had it? Duty of care my foot; they do not have the technical know-how.

The 35 forced landings is the key important factor for everyone, because we are at the wrong end of the law of averages for the next 356 to have a fatality free landing.

Some esoterical analysis paid for by someone other than yourself would be a good starting point, but "Eureka, this was the exact cause!" is the responsibility of the engine manufacturer who may well find this out if there is a bad crash.

The six specific symptoms of engine failure form a good starting point for a manufacturer to run down the actual causes, and what you and I are saying is parallel in some respects, particularly starting with a metallurgical analysis.

The fact that ATSB are also publishing abbreviated engine failure reports is a very interesting development.

In the meantime I'd suggest the title of this thread is a little premature.

...........apostrophe, but.........

There where several others eg fuel, a spark plug etc. But i thought those irrelevant to this discussion.

These are bare incident reports; they contain no analysis whatever as to the cause. Without proper incident investigation and analysis (and I would challenge the competence of RAA to make a valid engineering appraisal of the actual CAUSE of an engine mechanical issue) they have no useful content. There's a big step from such an incident report to a valid defect report. I suggest you look at the defect reports on the CASA website. There's an even bigger step between a defect report and a valid engineering identification of the cause.Your question is, however, quite valid - what useful purpose does it serve to send incident reports to RAA, since RAA is obviously incapable of dealing with such reports in a meaningful way?

From RAA records showing around 35 Jabiru forced landings between May 07 to March 12 the RAA has provided enough identification of causes to enable manufacturer, maintenance officials and owners to get some urgency into solving some of these problems.

For example, causes listed are:

Through Bolts: 14

Exhaust Valve: 5

Valve (but maybe exhaust valve): 6

Cylinder cracks: 2

Cracked Head: 1

Seized: 3

Not included in above: 4

That's about half the public records for the period

I've previously mentioned that I've yet to see one public metallurgical report on thru bolts, and without that there have been dozens of speculations as to what cause the bolts to fail, but nothing conclusive in the public domain.

RAA is NOT a controlling body so the members certainly do not have to foot the bill for a manufacturer's problems.

It is however a self administering body with a duty of care to ensure the safety of all areas it administers, so there's no reason why they could not take a range of sanctions up to the traditional grounding of all similar aircraft. There are plenty of ways RAA can improve this situation.

However, suggesting there's no purpose in sending incident reports to CASA will only just expand the feral sector who don't do that now, and the more this occurs, the less control the Association has until a point where control is taken away from RAA, either by an external authority, or more likely financially in the form of lawsuits.

"The RAA is aware of the need to do something in the interest of safety and the goodwill of their members. "A personal opinion is one thing and there are many and varied ones of them. I would suggest caution in making such a public statement on behalf of RAA as the "organisation" may be called on to justify such an opinion. Could get very untidy - expensive even.

One day I'll database the other half, but if we assume the numbers are the same, that would be about 70 forced landings in the five year period which were reported.

With numbers like that, RAA have a duty of care issue which could hit members hard, so if anything was going to get untidy, expensive even, and all the facts came out officially Major is probably on very firm ground.

....started to turn pink, then brown, then green, and Christmas pudding started to ooze..........................

A fair few of them are listed on this site Yenn, but you'll have to search for them. A few had problems before 25 hours, I listed from memory a batch of about 20 forced landings due to engine failure, and a lot are operating normally.

We'll give you references Andy; always a problem when you are in a specialist industry.

Yeah why not fan the flames and show them there's an entrenched problem around Australia

...unenviable task of representing the downtrodden, the homeless, and the hungry GA pilots, where...................

Playing semantics isn't going to work on this one after the Melbourne Herald Sun published this morning that it was a 15 minute fight "to see the devastation of the bushfires", removing all doubt over what it was.

You've got it wrong Oscar, we're just trying to inject some reality and counter some of the fantasy that had been posted. Some of us have built a few engines, experienced a few problems, and fixed them; others have worked in the industry week by week through good and and bad times and know the reality as against theory.

It's true, Madge was also a young %$#@ growing up and caused the local constabulary a lot of grief. "I'll be pleased when this %$#@ grow up" said the Sergeant, and we can get back to the quiet life of eating hamburgers and booking Turbo for speeding"

Just then, in through the doors of the Station....................

Turbo is not computer savvy and doesn't know how to get back out of the blue footnote comments, but ......

To my knowledge we have never publicly seen a metallurgical report on a failed through bolt and associated area. Several of us have attempted over the years to try to come up with a solution, but without this basic information there's no starting point.

FH, I can't see where 230 degrees would take you when the chamber temperature could be anywhere from 1500 to 3000 degrees and the piston to cylinder wall performance from what I've read from owners seems to be good.

The exhaust valve issues also seem to have a separate cause which some people have put forward theories on, but that issue to me would seem to be relatively easily solved.

To me, it just needs a logical step by step analysis first, then some action after rather than any radical change.

........started to write about Rat's ancestry, and travelled to Wankersville, North Queensland which took some weeks because he kept arriving at the wrong Wakersville - there were 34 of them, where in hushed tones a poor lady with long hair and a flimsy hanging dress pointed him to Cookies town, and said "You'll find the answer there....."