turboplanner

.......paper bags for the squeamish, and............

........in general the City of Wagga Wagga has been thrown into turmoil, by the actions of these opportunistic...........

Wagga Wagga Creek on a Lilo on New Years Day. He was laid out flat on his back by 10:30 on New Years Eve, didn't see one firework, full of Bollinger like his friend James Bond, and a few of his friends pumped up a double mattress, carefully stripped him naked and put him on the lilo with a daisy up his bum and surrounded by fresh lilys from the neighbours garden, and gently set him adrift. They say he was woken by a cow, twelve kilometres downriver the next morning, and......

"........could lead to the situation where when we were nose to nose my toes were in it and when we were toe to toe my nose was in it, and.........."

The Japanese were not up to the daring sequences performed in the great southern land to scare the tourists away in case they.......

What I suggested is that you check the Planning Scheme for your location. You were suggesting a different description would get you off the hook. I'm suggesting the decision will be made based on what's in YOUR Planning Scheme.

Re your example:

I have appeared before Member Gibson several times, and she is very thorough.

In this case the local planning scheme did not require a permit, and the Planning Officers followed the scheme and made no objection to the farmer's proposal.

However, the wind farm operator thought he might lose money so he used an argument that because of potential financial effect on him the Council should have required the land owner to apply for a Planning Permit, and the wind farm operator would then have been able to object.

Clause 11

You will see that there ARE some conditions requiring a permit - commercial operations, and helicopter operations, so even though this is way out in the country, you still have to comply with conditions. He wasn't operating commercially so this condition had no effect.

Clause 12

It would have required a Planning Permit if the Use had been separate to the farm operation, for example if someone just rented the strip from the land owner.

Clause 13

Member Gibson found that the Use WAS ancillary to the farming, and cited some prior cases with a similar finding.

So this formally knocked out Clause 12 and it was all over in favour of the farmer.

IMPORTANT: Note that the emotional financial argument of the Windfarm operator carried no weight at all; the decision was made on Planning Scheme alone, which is what I have been stressing for some time. In most cases the critical Planning item will be the hangar.

............fingers left to count on after training surgery, 8 sushi rolls for lunch, and eight bars on their epaulettes, which.........

FMe, you can't be inventive, you need to check the Planning Scheme for your location. Rural Zoning in recent years has picked up new conditions. You don't have to go to the Council, you can get the information online - so simple to do that it's crazy not to. As I said previously, you will usually only get entwined in a planning battle when a neighbour complains, and your alternative description will not carry any weight at all. Better to be safe than sorry.

..........but there was a pause, he was beginning to sound like an RF Forum Poster.

"Shut up" said Turbo, but that only made it worse when three posters explained that shut up really meant closing a shop, and two others felt that immigration was way beyond Australia's capacity, and another two started a conversation about aileron hinges.

"How could we have rost War when these people only have ten second comprehension?" asked Nobu.

"easy, because the Japanese comprehension was eight seconds" replied Turbo, "and they.........................."

Councils certainly can get involved and will get involved if the Planning Scheme conditions are infringed. Usually when nothing has happened it is because no one has complained.

I'm aware of a case where an Applicant wanted to set up a truck store, which was illegal. In the VCAT case he said he wasn't doing anything different to the other 9 truck storage yards nearby. The Council has now closed down most of them and will likely be continuing action for another few years.

It all hinges on what the Planning Scheme says.

....ell Schnell! magnetic sign each side to impress the locals.

"But they only speak Arabic" said Ratso "and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

Minivagen, and a Schn.......

....newly white painted jetty and the sign and the sign "Welcolm to Sharke Ireand" (Turbo points out that his secretary made the spelling errors - she wasn't hired for her literary ability)

He went on "We have been very closely watching Ahlot since he bought the krautzenvagen"

"But the war's over!" said Salty (previously Herr Mangler)

"Is it?" replied Turbo "Why then are there.................."

If there is already a neighbour problem, the momentum usually keeps them objecting, so what FV says and leave out my consultation advice.

Take off is more certain than landing, i.e. follows the aircraft power/specification. On this length you need an EFATO paddock so you can decide it will be slow enough to het the end fence safety, or fast enough to get over, and can ingrain that into the subconscious.

The 172 will also reasonably repeat the short field landing figures, and you have plenty of brakes, although I see plenty drifting to 800 or 900 metres at Moorabbin and holding everyone else up.

I wouldn't trust the Jab to do it 10/10 though with those little control surfaces, more wind susceptibility, and brakes that would have widened Henry Ford's eyes momentarily.

".........Rudolph" said Ahlot trying to inject more of his humour.

Turbo was whistling.

"I'll tell you who I am......." he started but choked as he realised the terms ASIO had laid down for conversations which the Rat might see, following Turbo's horrific notes about Cookie after his visit to Cookietown (and even that's letting to much out), so he just said nothing, and...................

"....has those band aids on his tongue - it must be getting cut by the turbine blades"

"No..................it's........not..that" said Turbo spooling up, but then there was a screeching sound and 48 blades.......................

Important points from FV, once its a strip you have a duty of care for all safe operations. If only you would be using it, I'd have permanent white crosses on it.

Looking at airstrip on pretty hilly farmHeight would be 3200 0ft

Length runway is what I'm trying to work out for J200 or maybe C172/180.

 

Jabiru spec says need 645m which seems excessive.

 

Best I can get is around 450 m of strip. is it enough?

 

Next q is about hanger floor, how to do it cheaper than cement.

 

Will I need council ( or neighbour) approval for the shed or strip?

Pressure altitude: At 3200' the length requirement will be significantly greater than sea level

Ambient Temperature: This will become a critical part of operations at this altitude

Slope: This may help matters in getting speed up

Surface: If you've been flying out of a major field, wet grass and soft surface will be new and very significant

Angles of approach and departure: Trees in the splay need to be measured to ensure you don't find yourself 3/4 up with no more climb capacity as I did once

At Sea Level

The shortest grass strip at Moorabbin was 750 metres and that was comfortable to get into with a Cherokee or 172

The gravel strip at Tooradin is 500 metres, and while there would be no problems putting a 172 down there, I found I had to absolutely concentrate with the Jab, and on one occasion where I got caught by a gust of wind I finished up a lot further down the strip and if I hadn't been doing a touch and go would have had trouble stopping before the fence.

So the 645 m recommended by Jab sound s reasonable.

As Metalman says you can practice spot landings, but correcting the results of a burst of wind can take you a further 20 metres down the strip.

Paddock grass can be treacherous; I laid out an 800 metre strip in a paddock in South Australia at one stage, and took off with a full load after medium rain. Although the grass was reasonably short, the combination of west grass and softer soil had me thinking the brakes were still on. It just would not pick up speed, and it's the only time I've ever had to start calculating for a shut down.

The Cessna POH will have graphs for the envelope with temperature, pressure altitude, weight etc, and that will give you an accurate performance for the aircraft (not necessarily the pilot). I would add at least 30% to that and see what that looks like.

I suspect you're a bit short. The accident reports always seem to involve visitors to these short strips rather than the owners.

Road base or similar compactible material will work for the floor, and I've visited plenty of properties where the floor was whatever was over the rest of the paddock, but if you want to keep dust out of the aircraft a couple 0f thousand dollars on concrete is well spent. You can cut down the volume if you won't be putting road vehicles in it.

Planning

I would approach your neighbour to see if he would sell or rent you another couple of hundred metres of strip.

If the property is far enough away from a City and property acreage is big enough he may even let you just use it. You would pay for all the fencing, and he might be more interested if you were to let him use the strip whenever he wanted for grazing. If you haven't had stock before, this would be the better solution anyway.

That discussion isn't going to change anything planning wise because the procedure is usually:

1. Visit the Council Planning Department, or look up on the web to get the Planning Scheme for your district. Most Councils will have this either on their own website or the State Planning website - they will have districts/areas set aside for Residential Use, areas for Industrial, Special Use (sewerage farms etc), Flood Zones, and General Farming.

Once you find the scheme for you location it will usually show:

Uses not requiring a permit

Uses subject to a Planning Permit

Prohibited Uses

2. Go through the process very carefully

If you can build a shed the size you want without a planning permit (you may need a building permit to ensure the structure and design are sound), then you can go right ahead

If you need a Planning Permit, then the best strategy is to lay out your plan, discuss it with all your surrounding neighbours quickly (or they will get their heads together and decide they don't want the noise).

Then you put in your Application for the shed. If your neighbours have all agreed you make sure to mention that, because if the Officers check and find that's correct they will most likely approve it under delegation.

If they jack up there will be a mediation meeting, but that usually doesn't carry much weight, so no need to get too excited at that.

Around that time it's important to talk to each Councillor and explain what you want to do, especially how many flights.

When it comes to Council you'll either find them earnest, trying to do the best for everyone or you'll realise they've screwed you. This Meeting decision doesn't matter all that much either.

What really counts is the Tribunal or whatever it's called in your state, and that's where it's critical to hire a Planning Consultant, because the decision will be made on Planning Grounds and "We don't want the noise" counts for very little, but compliance with the Act does. I've seen many people lose cases because they tried to handle it themselves or hired a solicitor instead of a Planning Consultant, and the solicitor missed key Planning criteria.

I've got a fair idea of what was happening up at the pointy end FH, and it wasn't adjusting trim!

..........have the turbo boost option be bought from Turbo, who knows turbos from the time the turbo was invented, and doesn't talk that academic no dirt under the fingernails language", said the Lightwing pilot who asked not to be named because "that Madge can be a real @#&* if he thinks you're copying him, and ........"

"........pulled the stick back, sniffed the diesel fumes, and here we are."

"But what about the........."

"Dynex has brought the technology to the proof-of-concept phase, in which virtual modelling of the “air-sealing” principle looks promising enough to get to work on the real thing."

That's a bit of a worry; I've come up with a few hydraulic ideas over the years which have failed the "real thing" test, mainly because of the multi dimensional nature of fluids and the ability to think of all the aspects at once.

However the ring issue has been solved in RC Aircraft motors for 60 years or so where these engines are able to use smooth sided pistons, the chambers being fed from a venturi into a hole in the crank, so maybe Dynex has discovered a different version of the principle.

A smaller cooling system, and greater power output, is significant in current car and truck design, and even more significant if the designer uses the extra efficiency to trade off some of that power for greater fuel economy.

It could keep the internal combustion engine in service for a few more years, although Honda (Clarity) and Toyota both have working Fuel Cell power units in operation now, and that will take us away from the ever increasing price of post-peak oil.

Interesting times.

"....that we can identify them, measure their speed and fine them heavily" Andy continued.

"But then they couldn't take off for sure!" said Madge, who was a smart @#&*.

"That's my point" said Andy, raising....................

....COG and reactive hypotenuse will be offset by 0.1 degrees which will give unfavourable running characteristics."

"You've been listening to the Turbotubbies academics, haven't you" said Turbo who knew Mavis could never stretch to a six letter word without constant tuition

As it happens, Turbo has been losing about 200 gms per day by just eating soup, is now a shadow of himself and in 30 years could be as skinny as a rake.

Madge was still sitting back shattered at the word bashing he'd received. Although Madge could be a right @#&* when he wanted, he was losing the word battle and for the last few house had been steadily drinking Bundy.........Ginger Beer that is, made from bargas, cow manure and castor oil, if you leave it out in the sun for a few days it will ferment to the point where it will run stationary engines, take your head off, or with the remaining castor oil send you into the sky on a tail of brown gas. Turbo had once been up to Bundaberg and entered the "Bundy Jump" which was held (for reasons which will become obvious if you ever attend) about ten kilometres out towards Gin Gin in a canefield. Turbo filled himself to bursting with the grew ran around to stir it up and said "Good one ay!" as his boilere began to work, but he never managed to achieve an actual takeoff or.............

......I think I've worn Ratty out, or he's injured because after 20 second or so he starts to gaps and cry out, and from then on he's comatose, and..............