turboplanner

There would have been more creibility to the snipers if they had stood for position.

Yeah Don, we don't want anybody saying anything positive around here .

To some extent this reflects the comfort members have with the successful renovation of RAAus lead by Mick Monck and Michael Linke and the rapid pace of positive change they have embarked on. Getting new versions of the Tech and Ops Manuals, a new IT system and a new constitution and form of incorporation in one year and stemming the financial losses of the past is a breath-taking achievement.A few seem to forget so soon that the old guard were complicit in the mal administration that lead to RAAus having so many aircraft grounded in the registrations fiasco as they brought the wrath of CASA down upon us.

more than likely the bonanza crashed into the diamond. The speed difference on landing is far greater from the bonanza. I would think the bonanza would have came in from behind and on top of the diamond

We can't do much about our downwind track because it is determined by aircraft performance and that should be the hint that altitude is everything. Post-WW2 instructors were dynamite on an exact altitude from the start of downwind on because they knew you couldn't see aircraft below you from a low wing aircraft. That's the Achilles heel of Australia's see and be seen policy. The Base radio call acted as an additional safety warning.

Don't worry it's just my own writing.

My dumb question of the day. What's a Pilot Cert takeoff?

hit a shipping container???? how does that happen?

I believe it was a Pilot Cert takeoff where the crosswind unexpectedly pushed him towards the trees/container just at lift off, combined with a decision to fly/put down fast.

Turboplanner,How sure are you that this plane wasn't the upgrade 170, not saying this was the course of the accident. But interested in your comments early that this plane didn't fly that well.

The J160 hit a shipping container and was re-winged to J170 spec.

I flew 5215 pre AD.

Was this the jab 160 that hit the container and was repaired and had a upgrade to a 170

If you look at oneof the aerial shots you'll see the aircraft in a very odd place - next to the hangars, so although we've been talking structure, I don't think structural's going to be the cause.

Obviously not this one: No Cookies | The Advertiser I'd be very interested to have a reference to the one mentioned -preferably with a piccy. As a Jab owner, I am concerned to know if there are potential weaknesses in the airframe - particularly in the occupant safety cage.

Spent ten minutes peeling back a Facebook feed before I realised I'd be there for several hours.

tracajeti agreed with me so he may know of the SA one

Failing that it would be worth an inspection of the structure in an aircraft which doesn't yet have the lining in it, or failing that ATSB may come up with some close ups.

Hey mate, I am trading RPL at Bankstown, but I assume I need the class 2 as it is Delta airspace

I think you mean the Myrtleford one, and if you look at the piccy at: ‘Miracle’ escape for pilot in Myrtleford crash you'll see that the a-pillars let go at the firewall, were not cut out as in this one. I hope we'll be told at least the basic details, as knowledge of what can happen allows people (at least in some circumstances), to make better-informed choices as to what is the likely 'least-worst' option. This particular crash looks to me as if it was a terribly sad case of extreme bad luck.

Looks to be something that a small design change would fix.

I'm 30 years old and fit, 17 hours into my training, just about ready to go solo and loving it- but waiting on my class 2 medical to do so.

The Gold Coast Bulletin is reporting that ATSB is sending three people to the site this morning, so we should get a preliminary report soon.

Very, very sad event and my condolences to all affected. I've never seen any pics of Jab crashes that have had both A-pillars taken out like that, even for the infamous Wedderburn crash into tree tops; I am thinking wire-strike on the power line that runs along the road adjacent to the crash site.

Could have been trying to get the guy out?

The addition of that large ventral fin caused some J170's to operate , depending on loading pattern , toward their rear C of G , which would account for any 'mushiness' . Not suggesting that this in any way contributed to the accident. And, just as we were doing so well ! ..... Bob. G' day Aldo

TurboWhy was that was there something wrong with it?

 

Aldo

I've flown 5215, didn't like it.

So the media at its best post an aerial photo of Latrobe Valley Airport?Terrible news for a family tonight.

Pilot dead after Victoria plane crash

News footage showed open country.

Wing off, Windscreen pillars have pulled off; could have been a wire, or nose down with forward speed.

We all have to abide by the same rules. But in the Pitts I've got precisely nothing to do between lining up, and advancing the throttle for takeoff. In an Airbus I have 9 procedural items and a checklist to complete in the same time period!

It's even easier than that; ATC is giving you an instruction with specifics, and to be sure you do what they expect, they are looking for a precise read back - excactly the details they gave you.

That lets them focus on the next problem somewhere else.

There are an awful lot of people out there who hear something different to what was said, and go off on a different tangent.

I don't care about the judgement of the aviation community so much as the effect on student/new pilots who could easily take some of the nonsense as fact, and lose their lives; some have in recent years.

Rather than trying to make something up, which doesn't look all that good so far, how about looking up the REGULATION you are required to fly to and posting that, so we all get a reminder of what we are supposed to be doing to keep safe.