turboplanner

...and that is the sector which got us into the debt mess we're in.

They are the ones who got bailed out by public money last time they stuffed the economy.

Parasites.

MANY industries would crash regularly without the stability those finds offer.

Where farmers used to fall into poverty if a bad season hit after they'd sown their crops, or a virus killed their cattle, they're protected these days by hedging.

I think you just need to take a quick look at FR to see the surprisingly large number of GA aircraft in the air. I can’t see why the large flying schools with overseas students can fly around with impunity when all the rest of us is grounded for fear of offending the law or neighbours or anyone else.

perhaps RAAus will support the push from AOPA to allow single pilot ops, at least for reasonable maintenance purposes.

A lot of the GA are commercial and RFDS so legal, but yes there's one school blatantly breaching the Health requirements including social distancing.

RAA are in the same position as CASA; the Chief Health Officer sits above them under the State of Emergency.

AOPA can make noises, but the decisions were medical ones and the Chief Health Officers make the decisions.

There is talk today about winding back, perhaps to Stage 2 in about 3 to 4 weeks if certain health criteria continue to improve.

Shared air conditioning, shared food source and fixed windows for no outside ventilation.......yep an real smart move for eliminating a contagious virus. just look what happened to cruise ships:-(

I'm not sure what you're getting at since this has been an unqualified success and large numbers of people have been processed.

Criminal Investigation can only apple to law that is breached, a Govt dept made an error or judgement, not to mention no passports checked, either.

The Chief Commissioner is investigating whether any crimes have been committed, i.e. laws breached.

I suggested to my Fedaral MP we set up Army Hospitals staffed by Army for Virus sufferers alone, keep them out of the mainstream health system.....got a 2 line answer

That's to be expected since he is not involved. The Chief Health officer for the State you are talking about is making that sort of decision.

At the time a lot of people were making arguments just like they are here, and one ship in Sydney and and other in Melbourne pulled in, offloaded and quietly departed.

I just had a quick look and the following ADS-B aircraft looked as if they'd just crossed a State border or were about to cross a State border:

C172

DA40

C208

C402

C172

PA28A

RV-7A

The Chief Health Officers are currently relying on those borders to be clean, with people crossing them moving into two weeks isolation then moving on. Many caravanners have faces four weeks or even more in isolation, but here we are looking at what appears to be a loophole.

Why use Christmas Island? Costs an absolute fortune to get anything there and there ARE local residents. Nev

There's no need to.

Once the source bubble is identified and quarantined, within a couple of weeks the group of people are cleared, hospitalised, or may have died. After none of the bubble test negative that goup can go back into the community.

The problem has been that some of those contaminated people didn't think the rules applied to them or didn't care and outbreaks kept re-occurring.

Australia now locks them in Hotels or ships where they can't get out for the 14 days.

China welded the doors shut on their escapees, which worked even better.

I don’t call some 20 dead off one cruise ship a success, ALL those cruise ships should have anchored off Christmas Island and a full blown Corona Virus treatment hospital set up there. I, like many others would not have to look hard to have improved the handling of the current situation In many ways.

Nor do I, and you might have missed the news that a Criminal investigation has been underway by the Chief Commissioner of NSW Police for a week or so.

At the time a lot of people were making arguments just like they are here, and one ship in Sydney and and other in Melbourne pulled in, offloaded and quietly departed.

No argument on that one, only as I say, absolutely no interaction with people where I fly!

There can be a number of touchpoints from your front door to your front door where, if you happen to be CV positive you can infect others or if others are CV positive they can infect you and I've posted examples such as petrol pumps, gates, toilet buttons, doors etc so I won't go through them again, but I'll give you an example of Hunters in Victoria where social media was filled with "essential" need such as putting food on the table and a few examples just such as yours above.

The dissidents managed to stor up enough dust that on Saturday April 4 we all received this short and unambiguous message on our phones:

"Victoria's Chief Health Officer has advised that you must not leave home to hunt, to help slow the threat of conornavirus (COVID-19."

That cleared it up for every one of us, and there hasn't been any discussion on the subject ever since.

Mate I will continue to act sensibly as indeed our local police force are also doing, if it gets to be a problem I will worry about it then! One thing for sure, I am glad I don’t live in a big city nor in Victoria or SA!

This disease moves with people. Just think about the small party in northern Tasmania, where, from memory six people became positive and knocked out two hospitals and re-ignited the spread. A similar situation was caused in the South east of SA where a group of tourists moved through, infecting people in Mount Gambier, Tantanoola, Penola, Coonawarra and Bordertown on the way to contaminating a large group in the Baroossa Valley. Luckily all have survived and the districts are clean again.

My aeroplane is VH registered and I am pretty sure that CASA stipulates that if an engine is going to be idle for more than 30 days it must be inhibited, therefore running the engine can be considered essential!

Essential has a different meaning under State of Emergency. The details are on the Qld Health site.

My understanding of the law (could be wrong as I’m sure someone will tell me if I am!) is that a proposed piece of legislation has to be tabled in parliament in the lower house, if it passes it must then pass the senate and if that all happens it has then to be enacted. If that is correct then these measures, however sensible, are rules rather than laws?

That would be the normal case in normal times, but a State of Emergemcy was declared in Queensland.

A State of Emergency allows certain individuals to take over in order to minimise injuries and deaths, and they take over from both State Governments and the Federal Government.

I previously mentioned that I wrote top CASA and received advice that the appropriate emergency people were in charge currently.

When a State of Emergency is revoked, control passes back to the elected government.

In the meantime the Chief Health officer [and not the Minister for Health, or one of his staff or an ABC journaists] is in charge and has issued a list of approved actions.

Best go on the Queensland Health site and take a look at the list, then you will know 100% yourself.

I went out and flew three circuits this morning, as indeed I also did on Friday. I live 10km from the airfield and once again drove solo, interacting with no one, flew three socially isolated solo circuits and returned home. Flying schools are still legitimately flying, how do you socially isolate two pilots in a C172? as evidenced by a couple of school aircraft from Toowoomba or Gold Coast? so where is the problem with solo circuits? Weekdays I pretty much guarantee no one else on the airfield!

You can see what the other person is doing wrong; but you're breaking the department's list of approved actions so you have to take whatever consequences occur.

Health Ministers rely on advice.

Correct; in fact Health Ministers have had more of an administrative role in the current State of Eemergency, since they key action decisions are being made by the State/Territory Chief Health Officers and the Commonwealth's Chief Medical Officer most of whom are Professors (people with the highest qualifications and experience in the field.

The Health Ministers have been taking advice from them and in some cases enacting or de-activating legislation to match what the CHO?CMO needs.

It has been a very successful partnership in Australia.

.......Tesla's tower, where just as Nicola Tesla was showing the Mayor of New York and a host of financiers to their seats to observe the free flow of electricity to a facility 50 miles away, Turbo turned on his un-shielded TV set to watch his favourite Flintstones episode yet again, and blew the electricity stream towards Russia. The Russians used the free power to build a military juggernaut which would eventually rival the USA, but when J.P. Morgan sent them a bill for .....................

it’s pretty hard to comprehend something that has been a crock, right from the start being a blanket system that covers everyone wether they live in a high density population area or a sparsely populated area. Respect for law occurs when the law is logical and fair, but there are always people who defy any law anyway, this is an imperfect planet

Many fines have been rescinded because even the Police have trouble administering the law, let that tell what a crock it is.

We've read all the whining and the posts by the serial flouters; it wouldn't really matter what the subject was, flying regulations or a deadly disease - they're against conforming.

The truth is someone can walk into the caravan park amenities in Sydney, Winton, Longreach, Casterton or Wagin and walk out carrying the virus. You can't predict who has been there.

With the actions that have been taken by our professional Health officers, tracing and isolating has lowered the risk substantially, but I still saw a clown flying a couple of days ago from the direction of the Barossa Valley and well into Victoria. He/she could be CV positive and could have dropped it at Horsham, Melbourne, or anywhere in Gippsland. Then we get the blowout like we did in Tasmania.

.........pluck a pheasant phaster than a pharisee can phlebotomise a baphomet in the town square. Phurthermore, a phrenoloist, named Phrygian, who was an expert in phronology was the first to use a photometer to make a tachometer to count the prop rotations of an SE5 fighter aircraft, but no one is allowed to know that because...........

Give up Turbo, you know you can't convertum

It isn't for the people who will never comprehend; it's for people who may take the fairy stories as gospel and get huge fines.

1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9 Anything else and the sheep get it.

This was one of the questions for an 8 year old today.

The ages of a father and son add up to 55.

The father's age is the son's age reversed.

How old are they?

Plural adverb?? Ain't no such animal.

Correct, sorry it was the different ending between adjectives and adverbs

e.g smoky, Shady for an adjective vs wiseley, Liveley for an adverb.

Who are under influence of politicians?

No, not under the influence of the politicians.

The State of Emergengy declarations by each State, Territory and the Commonwealth which were made in January/February trigger special powers to the State/Territory Chief Health Officers and the Chief medical Officer, and they have been directing what has to be done to minimise casualties and bring the State of Emergency to an end. The Prime Minister and Premiers must have metioned this several hundred times since.

What is "New Zealand Maths?" You have to get up early to be ahead of New Zealand people. Nev

I suspect the Australian and New Zealand Education people have pooled resources to get Online up and running so fast, or NZ already had advanced Online material.

The Online software covers all subject for all classes all day except for one session where each student gets to air their views on how they are coping and what they don't understand. There's another section where they can write to the teacher if they are struggling. My 8yo learnt contractions in English ( can not to can't) in the morning and used his first in a Persuasive Writing lesson in the afternoon, so he was feeling good with himself.

In the scramble for Online schooling in Australia, I've stopped my day trading, and today am teaching an 8 yo New Zealand Maths, and trying to remember how plural adverbs end.

What happens here in Oz when the annual is due and you have to fly to a LAME? I wonder if you need to get a permit to fly later when the restriction is lifted and whether the usual high fee will apply.

CASA are still operating so you can email them; I would imahine you would apply for a permit quoting the Coronavirus circumstances, but they could tell you exactly.

As for "the usual high fee", Qantas have lost millions, Virgin look like going broke, tens of thousands of people in aviation have lost their jobs, hundreds of thousands of Australians have lost their jobs, many could lose their homes etc. Your permit cost would fit in somewhere behind those in the urgency queue I would think.

Turbs, you are raising the question of inequality in society. Flying is a tiny aspect of this, and it is not true to conclude we are all rich.

The growing inequality should be of concern though. Mind you, the richest guy I know is a good bloke. There is quite a lot to be said for rule by the rich.

But look at the USA where the richest 1% own 39% of the wealth and the poorest 50% own MINUS 2%.

I was actually warning about Human Nature; in our Australian society inequality is normally a choice.

I notice that a predicted unemployment rate of around 10% is predicted for Australia by the Financial industries and that has been consistent for the past few weeks. We could live with that as a group (not if you were unemployed quite well while we recovered because 10 - 12% unemployment and double digit interest rates were common about 25 years ago.

In fact this week the sections of the financial industry itself are calling for the lockdown to be extended if necessary to eradicate the virus faster because that will produce a better outcome.