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......bull, bull, bull!!!!" and bull had to admit he'd never had that fame flying Ultralights, except for the time out west from Bowen at the Ravenswood Ute Muster. bull had won the circle work by ground looping a Tyro, and the old Cafe was rattling the floorboards that night when the trophies were .....................

36 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Just can't imagine jabiru making their own when they could just source ready made valves. Not that I really care. I have a rotax so It doesn't affect me anyway.

Where would they get ready made valves from an auto supplier for a constant power application when they are designed for intermittant power application?

Same thing applies in trucks; there are intermittent power engined trucks for metro operations and constant power engined trucks for line haul.

17 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

I would think the valves are from an auto engine. Wouldn't be much point designing their own.

Why not? a constant power application has hotter chambers.

56 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Aren't jabirus made of auto parts. Holden pistons and rods. Gray motor dissy caps. Honda mower coils. Honda car starter.

The difference is in the engine design. Car engines are designed for intermittant power applications, water cooling of the engine and other accessories, construction designed for a lot of accessories and maximum power achieved by rpm setting.

Aircraft engines are designed for constant power applications, preferably air cooing to save mass, fewer and smaller accessories for lighter mass, and cruise power achieved by a higher percentage of torque and a lot less multiplying rpm.

The design starts with the crankshaft, and most of the auto failures have been through trying to get prop-suitable rpm by using reductions which were poorly designed or trying to get constant power to work in an engine not designed for it.

.......chew but the badly wounded Turbo hit it in the guts, caught the eye, washed it in whskey, did an opticnervestitchup, dipped his thumb in whiskey and shovedthe eye back in. Then he caked their badly bleeding bodies in cowdung (a trick learnt from his farming days), rebuilt a Thruster (any Thruster left parked for more than three days needs rebuilding) and flew them to the Great State of Victoria.

bull received an award for finding the extinct breed of kookaburras and the Royal Society renamed them Bullkookaburras in honour of ............ 

..... the footy and the people in the stands. "They could pass for twins" said a St. Kilda fan.

Turbo had bought a ticket for Cappy, who had been slobbering for three days at the thought, not of sitting next to Royalty, but all the adoring and envious glances he would receive. As he walked into the stand he imagined being asked for autographs, and giving advice to Harry on affairs of State, but Turbo knew him well and had booked him a seat right at the top of the stand where the seats were covered in pigeon crap.

Turbo and Harry were talking about the vicious Collective control in the Apache [avref] when ................

.................he was of Royal Blood.

Cappy decided he would get one up on Turbo and introduced ..................

...............the last Coo-kaburra plopped to the ground where it was eaten by a flock of aerosuari. [avref]

Cappy sat there, the bulging exhaust stubs making tink, tink, tink noises and he pulled out his phone opened the new AI app and tapped: "How do I get a Corsair out of a tree in Bora Bora?"

Within seconds the answer came back "Call Turbine Corsair Recoveries on 1800 Genius" Within minutes there was a "Wop, Wop, Wop" sound and a Skycrane came into view, the crew fastened slings to the Corsair, and Cappy still in the seat was conveyed to the airport where Bora Bora Lames, checked it out, gave him a tank of fuel and sent him on his way back to the Spratleys. Cost $876,942.23.

Cappy marvelled at the power of AI, then idly looked down the App details for the developer. As the Turbo name came into view he realised that een if you were caught short for a sheet of toilet paper, Turbo was the only source of supply the app looked for, so Cappy.....................

.......saw the Corsair perched in a tree. Thinking he finally had a mate, he sat on it and ...............

.....although Cappy hadn't been a genuine Bader whose members had to cut off both legs, Cappy was certainly a legend on Bora Bora where he'd landed to refuel, hit the turps and been found in the Chief's teepee, but that's another story that.....................

......take aircraft out of the sky.

In fact Bora Bora Coo-kaburras played a dark part in AUF history.

Back in the days when men were men and flew Drifters real distances rather then just over nearby paddocks, a fly in was organised by "Happy" Hal Paycheck who was a world class Ultralight (as they were called then) designer. The flight from Wide Bay to Bora Bora was uneventful for the forty Drifters which had assembled from all over Australia, including the Air Ambulances, Fire Spotter, Liner Repair, Crop Spray and airine versions.

They stayed at the Rata Nui resort on the coral reef.

The main event was the Bora Bora secret dance [MOD3 - deleted, you know we can't report that].

The next morning there was a fly in to Creeky Valley. Every engine started perfectly and they climbed in a huge formation the thousands of feet up to the valley near the top of the mountain and round the other side. None of them made it back. The loss was never reported by the Bora Bora Tourism Authority and Australian families were told they must have run into a storm on the way home. In those days no one worried too much because half the AUF flyers fell out of the sky one way or they other.

40 years later Turbo was bird-watching up on Bora Bora, looked down and saw the scattered bones of the 40 pilots which included his father John Turbine and Cappy's, Jack Cook. He told Cappy who flew to the Spratley's base, rolled out the Corsair put on his Bomber jacket (even though this was a  Fighter) and leather helmet, cranked the big 14 foot diameter prop, hit the runway and after a quick burst of the guns towards the Chinese base headed for Bora Bora. A week later the Bora Bora Coo-kaburra was extinct.

Turbo made a mental note never to cross Cappy or .................

.....numbers 6 and 10?

The CASA man frowned and said "There has to be a pen in here somewhere" and he became quite anxious.

He was about to get a "223" under the CASA inspectingf CASA policy and that meant the loss of two weeks wages.

Suddenly realising it was Turbo, he said "I won't say anything if you don't say anything" and joined Turbo and Cappy in a Latte by the creek, supplied by the Boar's Tooth Cafe.

The cooing sound started again and all three of them raced down the creek...............

..........knowing they have deep pockets, but not knowing what's in them because in the thousand or so times the deep pockets have been mentioned we've never heard what they contain.

Just the, as if he may have been eavesdropping a little man with beady eyes dressed in a light brown uniform came walking up the track, cane in hand. "Good Morning, my name's Rick, and I'm from CASA" he said, and Turbo noticed that he had deep pockets, not only in the safari coat, but on the thighs and ................

Turbo uttered those immortal words “SICIMREX!” and Diprodonasaurus Rex

opened his mouth and closed his Jaw on Cappy shaking him like the dolly he was, and then.......

14 minutes ago, Captain said:

...... started a new round of their "We are from CASA, we are on your side (really and truly), and we are here to help you enjoy your flying more" roadshows at every flying club and major, minor and poxy-little airport and grass strip around OZ.

 

since when does a message that says do what we say or the wilderbeasts will eat you add to the freedom aviation (avref) experience asked bull at the AUF AGMs that he always attends, ........ then often gives a 2 hour (sometimes extending to 3 if he really gets going) dissertation on the "Joys of Crytics".

 

Onesie couldn't resist piping up, and that CT from DG did the same "The subliminal message in Dave's film, and which CASA has latched on to, is that the bigger the .......

.... the predator the better the compliance.

Meanwhile the main players were still on Bora Bora, Dave A's shots becoming the world's most profitable Message to date. Cappy had become uneasy when Turbo told him that Wilderbeasts were not the herd he had been referring to, and Dave A eagerly said "Can I come too" when Turbo announced they had to go further up the creek. An hour later they started hearing soft cooing sounds like doves, and Dave A got out his BoxB again and aimed it down at the shrubs. There was a SNAP!!!!!! and a jaw the size of his arm had locked on to that arm and buried 352 tine teeth into it. Dave froze as he had been taught to do in Tiger filming. His eyes went up the jaw to a horse like head about a metre long and above that was an eye fixed on his and above the eye were two horns and above them was about three metres of neck and a metre above that were two tiny wings [AVREF] They all identified it as a Diprodonasaurus (DpD), and Turbo yelled to Cappy to get the camera and take a photo; it was well worth sacrificing Dave to the DpD. Turbo steapped back and started to evacuate but six metres behind there was a foot with huge claws which pinned him down. "Quick" he said to Cappy "get the footage and Message it then come and prise these claws off!"  Cappy ....................

........in the can.

But the Wilderbeasts were the man-eating one and ate the Chief.

Dave A would do anything for a quid so he sold the film to the Tongs who used it to encourage compliance. The Tongs onsold it to CASA for a quick mil. and then they ......................

2 minutes ago, old man emu said:

It's not the capital cost of an aircraft, maintenance/operating costs and insurance that differ between basing an aircraft at these Secondary airports or somewhere else. The costs explode on Secondary airports through landing fees, parking fees/hangarage fees, which are all determined by Chief Financial Officers whose sole purpose in life is to inflate the bottom line. 

 

It's a crock that if I use an aircraft to go to Sydney to see family for a few days and land at Bankstown or Camden, I have to pay a daily fee to leave the aircraft there. What am I going to do with it so I don't incur a parking fee? Perhaps I should get one of those Goodyear inflatable planes and pack it up in a suitcase when I land. And what do you get in return for that fee? Sweet F. A. No tie down cable. No temporary hangarage. And definitely no security surveillance. 

 

These airport landlords even make it hard for maintenance organizations. If they have to stand an aircraft aside, say whilst waiting for a part to arrive, and the aircraft is outside for a day or two, along comes the  airport parking patrol and slips them a bill for parking.

A long time ago, maybe 20 years ago, we stopped doing intercity flights because it was a fraction of the cost, and for many, faster to jump on a budget RPT.  The extension of that is catch a commmercial flight to anywhere in the world, drive to the Light Aircraft field and fly where you want to fly with a local instructor in the right seat doing the planning and radio.

.......seen a wilderbeast before. David Attenborough just happened to be having a drink at the stream; "Nor have I" he said and Cappy kicked his deck chair over, starting a fight which spread to ...............

10 hours ago, KRviator said:

True, it can be a double-edged sword, but, from memory, it was written into the Temora DCP for their airpark development that "Hey, dickhead, you brought a block of land on an airport. There will be noise. There will be smells. There will be airplanes flying. You brought on an airport. So you can't complain about the noise!"

Or [politically correct] words to that effect. To my mind, it'd be a win,win. Council gets their $$, and they get 30-40 idiotic families like mine who want to live on an airport and are happy to tolerate the noise of a Spitfire flying aeros overhead.

Yes, you start with the Existing Right Use of the existing flying level, and then specify its characteristics which are to be preserved. Each structure then has to comply with those planning clauses.

.......so Turbo agreed to come with Cappy and show him where the creeky herds could be found.

After a night on the town in Airlie Beach they set sail for the wilds of  Bora Bora in French Polynesia.

Turbo was able to help Cappy each time they became lost (Cappy kept looking for the Magenta Line, so Turbo had to navigate by the stars. Six days later they were gently nudging the sand oo the magical island of Bora Bora, Cappy pulled the switch on the hydraulic gang plank, and they were walking up the soft sand listening to the "plonk. plonk. blonk of lopped palm trucks belting the juice out of the betel nuts. Several naked girls walked past giving Cappy a huge smile with their red teeth, and Cappy quickly refocused on the task at hand. The steep climb up the mountain was to much for Cappy, so Turbo carried him on his back, and finally they heard the sound of water flowing. "That sounds creeky to me" said Cappy relieved and they entered the cool glade and drank from the fresh mountain stream. As the looked down the stream a herd of ..........................

11 hours ago, Ben said:

Wow I don't know what to say. You've really opened my eyes OME. I did not know a touch and go counted as 2 movements... Looks like you've brought me back down to earth. Regarding Camden being on a flood plain, I thought Bankstown is also located on one, though I don't think it got flooded even with the crazy rain from last year. Henry Lawson Drive/Tower road intersection had sections submerged. 

 

Also genuine noob question - When WSI becomes operational, you mentioned the training could potentially be further south, what proportion of training will that comprise of versus say touch and go where the flying occurs around the airport? How much of an impact will that have on a flight schools overall operation? 

 

 

Phone Bankstown and ask them if a  touch and go is one movement or two; then you'll  know.

Statistical recording hasn't changed for decades so get the annual movement details for Bankstown and you'll KNOW whether flying is declining.

OME switched his argument to the number of aircraft fying, but that doesn't apply at the major airports. They all got their critical mass by aircraft HIRE, so aircraft movements in 1960 have the same status as aircraft movements today.

This site primarily caters for RA where the goal is to own your own aircraft, so it's not surprising that most people here will be thinking about the cost of owning your own aircraft.

GA doesn't work like that; if you want to fly economically someone else has to be paying part of the cost.

The last thing you'd be looking at is buying an aircraft unless you had unlimited money to spend.

In GA if you want affordable flying you hire.

The aircraft owners have fleets of aircraft hired by multiple pilots.

They have their own workshops and employ their own LAMES, so they don't pay full retail walk up prices for service.

They buy their aircraft at a discount, work it several hours PER DAY, have the engine warm all day, get the cleanest fuel.

It's a version of the WalMart principle where a five dollar product has a 2 cent net profit, but given the number of WalMart stores, adds 1 million dollars to the WalMart bottom line each year.

I just had a quick look at Moorabbin sites and the first one I looked at was offering a PPL package in a Diamond DA40 for $17,310.00 consisting of 30 hours flying, 1 hour Sim, 20 hours briefing and Theory. For that cost you can start to look at holidays like El Questro, the Whitsundays, Yellow Waters taking three passengers and work your way into Constant Speed prop and retractable undercarriage and high cruise speeds and twins.

That's $332 per week, giving you time to get your theory up to speed with your flying, and getting a years worth of different weather under your belt.

How did you buy your first car? Did you look at the cost and then say "Gee I could have bought a Morris Minor for ten pounds; the car industry is ripping me off, and they don't have steel bumpers any more; that's it I'm not going to drive!"?

....others looked at him as if he was slow.

In the nicest possible way OT pounted out that you had to take  them out of the plastic cover which stopped the uncontrolled swill from filling them out first.

Cappy looked at him in sudden realisation, then had to reverse as quickly as possible with furtive glances at Turbo to make sure he hadn't noticed.

Turbo kindly pretended to be dreaming and asked if anyone had a map of the Whitsundays becaise his mate was sailing his yacht through there next weekend, but ....................

In 2011 Bankstown had a total of 243,126 movements.

I wouldn't take any notice of the bleating, because these people are generall looking for something that was like THEIR past, when in fact the industry has been adapting year by year to where profits can be made.

For example, The Moorabbin Airport movements are available year by year for decades, and you can see where the declines were and how the low points were followed by booms, and a current year total of movements that looks very healthy and contradicts the doom spreaders.

If you pull the Moorabbin figures first you see their annual movement history as a bench mark. I couldn't find the matching data for Bankstown in the short time I searched, but you may be able to find it. You can also pull figures for Archerfield, Parafiueld and Jandakot for a bigger Capital City trend.

Once you have those figures it's a matter of matching how you want to fly with the flying taking place to produce the current aircraft movements.

Current for Moorabbin Airport 295,000 movements per year (800 per day).  Van Nuys, California movements per year are currently 300,000.

.........way with "think it through; creeky herds gather there........................................................"

"...stick back, aircraft up. Stick forward, aircraft down, your nose is up a little too high, turn, TURN, TURN!!!

I have enough trouble with a remote control in my hand.