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.....if anyone from CASA started acting up there was going to be bloodshed involved.

This came to the attention of .........

...and this prompted OT to rigorously lecture the group (which had now grown to about twenty people)

on the Irish settlers of WA.

Almost from the time they got off the ship they were buying wives from the local Bung Bung tribe. In fact these days you never see Bung Bungs in street demonstrations because there were no women to have children.

The WA Police had Paddy Wagons, there were Paddy buses and Paddy trains Paddy Taxis and even Paddy Bikes!

OT's cousin Morton even owned a fleet of Paddy Drifters which were hired for anything from Skywriting to Shark Watch to Fire Spotters to ...................

On 18/12/2023 at 1:38 PM, FlyingVizsla said:

Most Clubs just adopt the Model Rules for incorporation.  Some go on to ignore them, some change them to suit, the majority work within them.  Our club ignored them from the start.  The President decided who could vote, if you disagreed with him you didn't have a vote, such that the Secretary, Treasurer and most hangar owners couldn't vote.  The Quorum is set as Executive plus one, with only two people holding all positions they only needed one more, so enrolled his wife, with an unwritten proxy this being 2 votes to 1 and passing anything he liked.  Things have improved in the last 15 years, and the Quorum is now 9

The Model Rules for Incorporated Associations were only ever meant to be a starting template because some people got lost trying to build one from scratch. The idea was you went through the model rules crossing out the ones you didn't need, changing the ones you needed to change to suit your sport, and adding new ones needed. The State/Territory governments indemnify officials from PL suits if they are operating within their constitutions, so you needed to think very carefully about the risks and include them, plus how they would be mitigated. For a high risk sport such as motor racing or flying, you need to add what sanctions are going to apply to manage behaviour (risk), natural justice procedure (tribunal), safety control of machines, operating procedures, safety equipment specifications etc. so the Constitutions for these Associations were two or three or more times the size of the model rules. I think a lot of people get confused because "no one tells them they have to expand on the Model Rules." The governments don't have to; if the Associations don't do it they bear the risk. There was a dirt bike track near Frankston which usually had 30 or 40 bikes going through the trees and some big jumps, sometimes 10 metres high. One landed from that height on another one, killed him and the track doesn't operate any more. Rules and officials would have saved them. The ones who just use the standard Model Rules in some ways are playing a kind of Russian Roulette.

On 18/12/2023 at 1:38 PM, FlyingVizsla said:

 

Fortunately RAAus can't get away with too much as there are people who take an interest and they are subject to the Corporations Act.  But I still think they could lift their game with regard to communicating decisions and issues to the membership.

Well although this thread is called "Urgent" and it would appear there could be shortfalls in the Rules, we've heard no more from Rod Birrell, and whenever we discuss something publicly that seems to be countered with proxies, while its interesting to look at the ways of optimising an organization through its Constitution, it's probably not worth putting an effort in.

......his poor spelling and failure to stay on the subject.

This upset Cappy because, although he was a direct descendant of Captain Cook, the family had fallen on hard times, and Cappy had only been able to complete Grade 4 before he was pressed into service as a beggar on the approaches to the Sydney Harbour Bridge. This pulled in $800.00 a day which allowed his parents to spend their time entertaining down at the local club.

This all came to an end when ..............................................

.......attention to detail and presentation skills along with an astounding knowledge of the rotorwing history.

Afterwards, he asked Turbo how he thought it had gone.

"A great presentation" replied Turbo " but just a few small points "King Canute held the tide back, he didn't invent the helicopter. The blades do make a distinctive noise by they don't go XXXX...XXXX...XXXX...XXXX. Rotorcraft don't turn your ears inside out. You don't have to know how to hold your nuts and spit at the same time. Sikorsky invented the modern helicopter, not Korsky when he was sick, and the Japanese didn't habe them at Pearl Harbour."

Cappy thought for a moment and then said:

....battle up the Khyber."

At this Cappy ....................

.....he has something on Turbo which is worse than the problem he created in the Falklands, just as the population had gone back to fishing and reading the Times "on Real Paper".

Turbo of course was innocent, just thinking of announcing that he will retire to spend more time with his family.

Then he remembered Cappy and the little number from Bombay who ...............

2 hours ago, onetrack said:

"Tire" wear? Only in America, we have tyres here.

Must have been asleep at the wheel when I wrote that.

3 hours ago, kgwilson said:

At the moment live in the dead of Winter Coal is producing zero energy.

Why would you be expecting serious coal-fired results now when Rishi Sunak only announced the reversal of bans on coal mining in June. There will be a reasonable lead time for the legislation to have been gazetted, people employed for mining, mines made safe, machinery brought up to working standard to produce coal, and a lead time for Coal-fired power stations  to also get their facilities into working order and emply operators. Coal- fired generation  doesn't take 40 years to come on line, but  it's still a long process.

3 hours ago, kgwilson said:

Wind produces the most by far, approximately 48%,

That's the issue; well short of the 100% exepected if it was to power every house in the UK.

3 hours ago, kgwilson said:

https://grid.iamkate.com/

"I never really liked you anyway" it reminds me of my childhood when little Cynthia Shepherd used to say that and she went on to become a hooker in the Bronx.

Cappy hesitated a moment trying to work out what Dave was actally saying, because there had been a long and knowing look associated with the words.

He decided to be rather droll and said "Any medals going at the moment Dave?"

"There is actually" said Dave "The Margaret Thatcher Medal for kindness"

Cappy hesitated realising that if he ever wore that medal he could be the subject of .......................

2 hours ago, spacesailor said:

England has " vast " underground caverns.  That were useful! ' before the " anti- coal " ,people shut them down .

What an ' opportunity ' to use those mines again,  Just to stuff them full of toxic waste. 

Stop subsidence & hide that waste for the next millennium or two. 

spacesailor

The UK’s North Sea wind farm project that was going to give power to every home in the country by2021 failed. The UK government reversed the law banning coal mining and is encouraging coal-fired plants to start up again, so probably too many miners around now to be dumping waste.

The unknown here is the student. Wartime RAAF training, report didn't say how many hours he had.

32 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Funny. I was made to do that in a Chipmunk and stay under the hood till the Landing was completed, after some basic airwork. That was my first IF session.  I think the idea was to make you realise how difficult it was.. It was an all over field but not very big.. Must have been the go in those days. Eventually I did recovery from unusual attitudes under the hood. It CAN be done but you need to quickly identify Spin OR Spiral? . This is the stuff that can save your life .   Nev

He was listed as having flown DH60 Gyosy Moth, DH82 Tiger Moth, Hawker Demon, so I assume he was an experienced instructor.

I read the reports but they never got into who did what.

The student survived.

26 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

More like this 

Spacesailer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes the same as this with the Tigers. My cousin's uncle was a RAAF Instructor, killed at the Parafield Satellite field while teaching a student Blind Takeoffs.

....FFFFFfffffffergoodnesssake Christopher, I never knew you were a Labor person!"

Cappy wasn't, of course, just brownnosing but he said "My name's not Christopher." It is now" said the GG with a stern fatherly look and Cappy knew he'd been caught at it.

Much chastened, and with a considerably greater respect, Cappy ..........................

Years ago when Turbo, tired from a 4 am start in Melbourne and a day of talking to WAs making digs about wise men from the East, stepped into a lift at the Parmelia to do down for dinner. He was disconsolately looking at the floor as the lift opened on the floor below and a man walked in judging by the trousers. After a while he realised the trousers didn't stop at his waist level and as he raised his head up the trouser legs were still going until he was looking up, way above his own head height at the Great Man himself.  Turbo laughed and said he'd only been listening to Gough and Jim Killen in the Greate Flags debate a couple of nights ago. Perplexed, Gough said "But that was YEARS ago." Turbo explained that it was a tape recording, but couldn't think of one intelligent question to ask. Gough said "Did you like the bit about XXXX."

In the flag debate Gough had said that at the time he was Ambassador to Unesco in Paris, Fosters had successfully launched their beer to the French population. "They were doing well so the other member of the duopoly, Fourex themselves decided to enter the market. They didn't do so well. The problem was their advertising jingle, 'I can feel a Fourex coming on'. Fourex was the name of the most popular French condom." The lift door opened and Gough walked into the twilight.

Tire Wear

1. New

2. 80%

3. 60%

4. 40%

5. 20%

6. 5% Replace

This follows on from eralier posts about a battery powered Aircraft (BAC)

It is for the people genuinely interested in a development pathway for an electric Training Aircraft (early training only), so a very specific Application.

In our earlier discussion, using the cross-section of a BYD Seal and without the aerodynamic coefficient, (so the same as the aircraft widest section piece of plywood another poster gave us), we saw that Air Power Demand (the power required just to overcome wind resistance) increased exponentially as speed increased.

Speed (km/hr)             Airpower Demand (kW)

50                                4

60                                8

80                                18

100                              35

110                              47

130 (70 kts)                 77

181 (98 kts)                 223 

I’ve posted the BYD figures again only because (a) I’m waiting on someone to post some battery drain figures at given continuous cruise speeds and (b) we don’t have an aircraft cross section data or Aerodynamic coefficient.

At this stage we’re only interested in seeing what happens to Airpower Demand when you push a given body faster and faster through the air.

If we add Aircraft speeds to the same chart, we can see there’s a huge percentage increase in air power demand (because the equation is speed x speed x speed x the rest.)

We’re interested only in the percentages.

For those having difficulty getting their focus off the actual numbers and on to the percentage differences, if we insert the Aerodynamic Coefficient into the equation, those high kilowatt figures will drop down into the aircraft power figures we are all familiar with.

If we’re designing a product, before we start looking for a solution we need to investigate the Application.

Maybe someone will invent a long range battery some day in the future, but we have to work with what we’ve got, so that means looking at a short range application like early stage student training on circuits.

Since Flying schools charge by the hour and less than an hour doesn’t leave much experience time, I’m setting a minimum 1 hour safe flight.

There are two reasons for including the word safe;

1.     As we know from using electric tools and cars the batteries don’t always quit on the last minute of the stated range, perhaps because the last person didn’t fully charge it etc. So given we are in a forced landing situation as soon as it is drained, we need a buffer.

2.     Just because we are flying an electric aircraft we are not absolved from carrying a minimum range worth of power.

(a)   Because the weather may close in at the end of the circuit you need

(b)   Because fog might move in fast and cut you off

(c)   Because there maybe an incident such as a crash on the runway which requires the airport to be closed.

(d)   And so on, and you need a considerable number of minutes for that because you have to find another airfield.

So we need well over an hour of power.

If we look at the 2023 Pipistrel Electro Velo (chosen because it quotes minutes range)

Power:             57.6 kW

Cruise:             98 kcas   (181 km/hr)

Max Range:    50 minutes

Useful load:     172 kg

Issue for training:        Weight of Instructors and students

How could we meet the Application? (I’ll leave the weight aside for this exercise)

If we just look at Air Power demand, we always take off into wind so we have additional Airpower demand speed equal to the wind speed. On crosswind the wind speed is neutral. On downwind we get a bonus off Airpower at cruise. On Base the wind is

neutral but speed is reducing so less Airpower demand, and on final the wind is blowing again, but the speed is substantially slower.

What can we do to meet the above theoretical Application with the Pipistrel Velis Electro (if we assume the stated range of 50 minutes is at full power for most of the circuit)

From our chart we can see that if we start with the Pipistrel Cruise speed of 98 knots and slow down to 70 kts, the Airpower demand on our piece of plywood is reduced to 35% of what we needed at 98 knots.

This puts us in the category of legally being able to fly 500’ circuits, so on top of what we just gained, it now only takes half the time to get to 500’ when we can turn crosswind, so we have a much smaller circuit, so even at 70 knots we get plenty of circuits in an hour.

Battery drain time usually varies with power demand, so the question is whether we could get this model Pipistrel to stretch to an hour + reserve at the lower Airpower demand.

2 hours ago, onetrack said:

And still no country in the world has a scheme to deal with nuclear waste. Everyone thinks it's a great idea to bury nuclear waste in the centre of the Outback, because it's so isolated.

However, after Maralinga, and the Poms generally treating inland Australia like a nuclear waste dump, no-one is ever going to get approval from the Indigenes to bury nuclear waste in the Outback.

That can be true; Victoria's biggest Toxic Waste Site is at Dandenong in Melbourne where the entire city of Melbourne can be covered by PM10. Dandenong in a health check around 2002 had a lung cancer rate around 35% above the State average so the government decided it should be closed down and a more remote place found. They settled on a location way out in the Mallee inhabited mainly by kangaroos and rabbits. The prevailing winds would carry particulate matter over remote country. The people of Mildura, with no chance of any worse airs than they were getting from their own, unregulated,  toxic dumps, RIP'd the Mallee Fowls every couple of kilometres up the main highway, and every shop in the town had a red skull and crossbones on a white background in the window, some with a WW2 gas mask they'd found in the shed. A semi trailer with a gigantic sign painted on it took up residence outside the terminal door. Every second car had a red skull and crossbones. Probably the best campaign I've ever seen, but it didn't sway the tough Minister, so the unions got involved and black banned every proposed truck that might be carrying toxic waste. The government kept the Dandenong site and these days, I would assume, kill a few every year.

So even though a Nuclear Power plant is usually safe (Fukushima Plant's location was as its name might imply - below Tsunami height), it's quite possible the Planning stage could be used to try to stop it, although by then the government would just introduce an essential services Act.

Practically, nuclear disposal would not be a problem; we now have the ability to bury it deep under the ocean.

However the Nuclear boat has been missed; Australia doesn't have the spare money to build even one, and the lead time to complete one is so far out into the future that (a) we will have built about five coal-fired plants and won't buy from it or (b) half way through its build we will have reached the predicted points where the ocean should have risen about 0.8 of a metre, destroying much of Australia's coastal infrastructure and houses. When that hasn't happened perhaps then people will start to say "What were those people saying about a UN Climate Scan in 1973? Let's do some research and see why the ocean hasn't risen and the summers are no hotter than they always were." Then they'll throw the government of the day out, the new government will cancel the contract. 

....Bishop, or thought he did (Cappy was prone to these fantasies; it was an affliction that had dogged him all his life). One day, as he was taking off from the Brown Bros strip with four cases of their best Red, he imagined himself back in his grandfather's day, a flying ace who could give Biggles a run for his money. Suddenly the fence was there out of nowhere with six strands of No 8 wire wrapped around the undercarriage of the J230.

On another occasion as he sailed his little dinghy out on the wild waves of the Murrumbidgee he imagined he was his great3 gandfather, and put a telescope up to his eye; half a bottle of red ran out.

His biggest mistake though was when the Governor-General came to Kapooka and .......................

24 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Only the " A-17-626 " . Is on the fuselage,  

So is it the rgo number , or .is it something else . ( is a none registered number allowed ).

$82,000 

spacesailor

 

Like this?

7 minutes ago, FlyBoy1960 said:

OK, hydrogen and hydrogen electric could well be the way to go in the future and this new development by Yamaha Marine is showing a clear way forward. The link goes to information about them exhibiting a four-cylinder hydrogen powered marine engine

 

 

tinyurl.com/yneb7nzy

Toyota HICE Technology is there now, since we don’t have an NOx limit on aero engines.

26 minutes ago, facthunter said:

AS long as your Synagogue doesn't turn into a Mosque over night. You might need essential "Of the Essence"  Clauses in some constitutions.   Under those circumstances Moving of certain types of amendments would be ruled "Out of Order" immediately to preserve the original INTENT and PURPOSE of the Organisation.  Nev

Yes, in some cases that might be necessary.

30 minutes ago, FlyingVizsla said:

That's fine at the Flying Club where at least a third of members attend in person and nearly all live within an hour's drive.  If there is something brewing they can turn up, listen to the motion from the floor and vote.  Even then, our Constitution allows members to appoint a proxy to vote for them, no specific instruction needed.  Usually a mate "you know how I feel on things."

 

RAAus is a national organisation.  I would be very cheesed off if I lived in WA and a handful of blokes in Canberra, who could get to the meeting, made decisions that impacted me.

 

Less than 10% bother to vote in elections.  Far fewer attend meetings. Even with video links, the date/time may be inconvenient.  I missed the AGM because we were away. 

 

I registered for the resumed AGM but was admitted only to hear the last 30 seconds - which I consider poor form.  The registrations closed the day before, I logged on 10+ minutes before and they were still unable to process the number of registered members in time.  Something I will be taking up with them.

In my case I had about 1900 members throughout Victoria. In theory all were within 7 hours travel to a meeting. In practice, attendance was about 30 month by month, year by year. It's the in practice that you set your Constitution for because that's the one which will work because that's the reality. You very soon get to know if your are not communicating well enough because people are quick to complain, and you then have to adjust the constutution to suit.  Out of a hundred constitutions, all should be different to suit the purpose. There are some cases where the members take no notice of the constutution at all but just have a way of getting by. In some cases the constitutions are changed to disperse a clique which has rebuffed all others to do what they want to do. In some cases people who have never held a management position in their lives develop a Hitler ego and the Association becomes a can of fighting worms. Your flying club is pretty typical of groups which work around Australia.

The bottom line is you can't sit still; if things aren't working you have to identify they cause and a majority of members have to want to fix it. There is an issue if the Constitution has been set to prevent that change.

.........OT cringed; he was a long way past 12 years of age and while he was male. he was a little short of a dollar in fitness - too many long lunches on the Esplanade.

OT pretended he was swatting a fly, missed and tripped in the opposite direction to the Bishop, pointed at something and quickly walked away. Who should be coming towards him but.................................

........"official biscuit" around the Vatican. (The Pope was mindful of the ramifications among the Z-Gen and Seniles of using the words "body of Christ".)

OT seized on this, and tagged his biscuit ads with: "as used by the Vatican."

He was summoned by the Catholic Bishop of Perth, who said "OT, my son ................................"