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Well when raa had a 544 kg mtow the GA boys did put drama on RAA and looked down their nose at us, but now that they have hijacked our sport its a differant matter hmmmmmI also understand a levy on avgas pays for it. Why this GA bashing? It's generally uninformed and speculative and hardly endears us to the rest of the people who fly. If sections of GA were as vocal in reverse we would condemn that. If you want general support you are going the wrong way about it.Nev -
Hijacked??? to talk about the inposition of others {GA]into a :sport" is HIJACKING well, mate you might need a bit of TRAINING yourself by the sound of it ......bull, you've already hijacked a critically important thread which relates specifically to people killed and has nothing to do with your anti rag and tube politics.No point in trying to spin in red herrings on safety as well.
[ps ANTI rag and tube ,well last time i looked my aircraft is wood and rag] and i TRAINED in rag and tube so where you got that from god knows .........................More like GA has HIJACKED a sport for their own ends dont you think?????? -
What about a pilot that has trained to the HIGHEST standard and still flys his airliner into a mountain killing hundreds,,,,did your :training standards help then mate,Alf is correct,once trained an instructer cant hold your hand every day, about time people took responsability for their own actions instead of playing the litagation blame game.......That's not correct Alf, it's not "all care but no responsibility" any more.If an instructors cuts corners, isn't capable of assessing what has been absorbed, doesn't bother with nav/met theory, teaches aerobatics, doesn't teach safety checks correctly, and doesn't manage what he has started (or if there is no safety system to manage what he has started under a self administration system), then he is at risk of being made to pay for the damage.In cases where a pilot has simply dropped the aircraft vertically following an engine failure, the first person I'd be looking for would be the instructor.
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Because Andy they wont be allowed to fly their heavy missiles because they dont meet the :safety standards/medicals of GAummm why? wont they (lets play your game and assume they exist) benefit equally?? or even more cause in addition to being " fraudster GA escapolagists" they are also rich beyond reason and can likely swap aircraft/types like you swap undies...-
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GA introduced costsKeith what would you do to fix it? Story, I read back to look for what you said earlier but didn't find it. Is it being destroyed by the safety problem or by other things? -
Thats the thing mate RAA flying is just that: recreational: and as we cant earn a living out of it, the costs are now much the same as if i get my mc licence and can earn a living with that ,,,oxymoron...i see lol [ps i,ll still be flying my trail bike of the sky well after your expensive spam can/plastic is grounded because its too expensive to run/fly ]I think you may be using a bit of load there to support your argument . I trained 2yrs ago and paid $130 p/h and a mate is currently training in a Jab at $165. I believe the cost of training for an articulated truck licence is even more than that.Once again, maybe flying for you is no longer affordable. Shame you will miss it -
Sorry if you think i was attacking you mate ,far from it ,it was just that you so well said something that really meant nothing that you would give Abbott a real run for his money .Please, reread what I said and tell me what was actually wrong with the thinking? Is it not true that affordability is only one element of accessibility? In what way have you been wronged by the change???? please answer the question and don't just attack me personally, I cant speak for the others on the board at the time but I sure wasn't out to change our reason for being?Andy -
What speedy no comment on the costs of xc training ,or the rates FTF,s should charge ,seems strange as you seem to have all the other answers..........I would sell it in a heart beat and buy a collection of cars, motorbikes and aircraft.I might be biased but it is only nostalgia that makes them worth anything or should that be Dementia. They were never really that special and lots of similar period cars from europe were far better and often had 4 or 6 cylinders.I await the knock at the door and a black bag
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You are right on the arthmatic ,sorry but i meant 20 hrs of dual flying after doing 20 hrs of basic training, so this adds up to an additional $4000 costs for new members ,or have i read the new {electronic confusing version of the ops manual] wrong................And those rates are what i was charged not more than 3 months ago to do 5 hours of revision after a break of 10 years from flying and this was from a one man ftf with an over 20 yr old rag and tube ,so i,d be amazed if the ftf with the latest fantastic plastic could charge any less,,,please correct me if i,m wrong ,cause then i,ll report this ftf for overcharging thanksActually at the rates you use thats 20hrs at $200 so $4000. Or are you saying 10 hrs after solo for xc endorsement, then yes $2000.I understand you are feeling the financial pain but do you really think the $10 or so a week for your fees is that big a impost, that it makes it unaffordable for all except doctors sons?I just can't see it being any cheaper than this. The cost of joining a radio control flying club each year is considerably more than this here in Sydney and probably everywhere else. They claim the reason is insurance costs. On that metric we get a incredible deal. The ability to fly a real aircraft legally or a model for more expense. I know which I prefer.
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Hear, hear awesome idea, but i think you,ll upset the fraudster GA escapolagists.............
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Andy when do you go up against Abbott ,you have the lawyer/polly speak down pat ,well doneBull I was involved in the accessible vs affordable debate. Its my opinion that affordability is merely a single subset of accessibility. If you cant afford it then it isn't accessible to you. However Accessibility is >> than merely affordability. An example, PPG's are very affordable, yet to get in one and learn to fly it, is much more than affordability, first you have to find an instructor that can teach you, then you have to find one that isn't somehow tied exclusively to a brand that you didn't buy.... all those things relate to accessibility. For some parts of Australia where controlled airspace and military requirements mean that enourmous swathes of airspace are off limits to you. Unless someone fights for transit lanes or less restrictive airspace grabs then affordability may not limit you to not being involved, rather the need to drive for 2hrs to get to an airfield that has class G airspace might be the thing that limits your involvement.Making out that somehow we have duded the membership by changing something that was one dimensional into something a bit more holistic is in my opinion misguided. It was never about removing affordability it was more about realising and stating that limitations that exist to prevent growth and uptake are more than cost alone. Although given that success (growth) comes with higher scrutiny perhaps we were on the wrong path anyway!!Andy
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Doug ,if he had an xw 351 phase two he could afford a 120000 plastic fantastic too ah,,,lol hahahahahah, seriously the costs for a young struggling family man ,or broke fisherman like myself to advance up in their endorsments have risen so much now to the point of Ga training 20 years ago. Now the formation and establishment of AUF was to give the average wallet the chance to enjoy the freedom of flight as well as the doctors son,,this fact seems to be getting forgotten and its very sad as the GA clan would want to keep the magic of flight for the better part of town like GA is .or is that RAA ,hmm not too sure anymore .....................the difference is so blurry i cant really tell them apart anymore.If ya had a ford XW GT 351 you could sell and have a really nice plane. -
And check out the new REQUIRMENTS to get your XC endorsment 20 hours of dual xc @ 200 dollars an hour ,,well last time i looked most of the board have not been getting themselves lost and as some of them will say :most learn,t in rag and tube and most solo,ed after 10 hours, and they are still here ,but its alright to charge some young new pilot 2000 dollars to get thier xc ,,wake up ,,,,,,,,,,Hey bull, the crux of most of your posts seem related to costs and money. Maybe it's time to admit that you just can't afford to fly. What about a trip to the hobby shop for a RC 182 kit. No, hang on a minute that will cost in excess of $250 more than annual RA rego. Oh well. -
Your comment just go,s to show how the hp/ga clan have ruined AFFORDABLE flying for all same reason your sneaky ga mates on the board have changed the logo of safe AFFORDABLE flying ,,,to ACCESSABLE accessable only to the high end of town ah????Hey bull, the crux of most of your posts seem related to costs and money. Maybe it's time to admit that you just can't afford to fly. What about a trip to the hobby shop for a RC 182 kit. No, hang on a minute that will cost in excess of $250 more than annual RA rego. Oh well. -
And instill an endorsement system for training and costs that reflect the aircraft used,,as in USER PAYSI was going to bring up this very valid point way earlier but wanted to see how long it would take for someone else to do it.YES this is quite possibly the number one reason why people are killing themselves at this time. Neglect of keeping training up to the same speed as the high speed plastics and the environment they operate in. Not the schools fault or the instructors either they operate within an out dated system they have been supplied with.Like i have said many many times before GET THE RAAus OUT OF CANBERRA. Set up proper training facilities for both instructors and maintenance training.
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So should we hide the TRUTH or as RAA keep saying we should be more transparent. And address the problem from honest areas as in,, most of these 29 deaths in 29 months ,exept the townsville midair ,are HP aircraft!!!!!!!!!.Well There's just about enough ammo already for our enemies. Re read and think about it. Nev -
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Sorry about that and yes i was out of line ,but was just firing back to being called a TROLL when discussing a matter that is of concern to many members , and Asmol sorry mate, nothing personal meant and i hope you continue to fly for many many more years yet to come ok.Bull ol son.........issues / topic, that's ok. But mate.........not attack the man "personally". You won't get brownie points.......from any here.-
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So is that the reason you cant pass the casa medical mate???Could you be one of those flying time bombs ,just waiting to fall through someones roof at over 100 knots and half a tonne of weight tooSorry Bull, you are obviously a much better person than i am because i dont have an avatar and i guess by your appalling attitude and inability to express yourself properly and sensibly that you are better than all of us here.I think you left a Y off your user name. Its not BULL but BULLY.ASMOL is the name of the medication that keeps me alive each and every day and that was sitting on my table when i signed up a year ago so that was the name i used when trying to think up a user name. Who really gives a hoot that you have been here since 2011, some will say you have wasted your time.
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This coming from someone who has no avitar photo or AIRCRAFT listed ,,,WHO,s the TROLL, I,m real and so is my aircraft and at present is fully registered with RAA as is my pilots certificate are you real :asmol:what do,s that stand for ??????,,,,,,,,and i,ve been on this site since 2011Dont give the "BULL" troll the time of day ! Just ignore him ! He is obviously off his medication.-
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Your list of aircraft explains your reasoning fully............mister GA {probably with a bad ticka too}Bull, for you!! -
But the costs for lobbying to do so are payed by our membership END OF STORYPS remember to stay out of controlled airspace mate WE under RAA unless you have a GA licence cannot fly a RAA registered plane in to it. END of STORY -
Because of the cost increases mate,no one has answered why affordable was sneakily changed to :accessable: either ..........??????? I don't follow the reasoning behind this statement. How does any flight I do, short or long, fast or slow, have any relationship to RAA feees?If you take LSAs for an example I would suggest that they cost less to RAA to administer. Compliance etc is between the owner and the manufacturer, no involvemant of the tech staff - either complying or not.When I fly into CTA I do so on my CASA issued licence (with CASA AFR & CASA medical) authorised by CAO 95.55 - again nothing to do with the RAA OPS manual or other members fees.
I have seen similar statements made before but they just do not hold water.
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Has been tried before but one board member that follows the rules of the formation of the AUF in the first place is out numbered by the GA clan and made to feel like an outcast or traitor ,,,RE the resignation rate of board members under {PERSONAL REASONS} the only way out is for CASA to enforse the weight regulations that are in force now and procecute offenders {YOU all know who i,m talking about plastics/spam cans}}and introduce a user pays endorsement system .....................................I see that nominations for the board have been called. Here's your chance, Bull.
[ps ANTI rag and tube ,well last time i looked my aircraft is wood and rag] and i TRAINED in rag and tube so where you got that from god knows .........................More like GA has HIJACKED a sport for their own ends dont you think??????
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