florida jet crash 1/11/26

[BurnieM]

Ice and more ice.

If you watch Juan Brown you can see that they were threading the needle between thunderstorms then at the end they diverted to the right directly thru a cell.

 

If their weather radar was working properly they should have seen the cell.

 

[danny_galaga]

1 hour ago, flying dog said:

 

But how did it get to overspeed?

 

What would be the terminal velocity of the jet?

 

I've just watched a long breakdown of what happened and I'm more confused - kinda.

 

Let me explain:

Yeah, we've all seen the clips, the plane dives straight into the ground - nose first.

Problem - for me:

So they got hit with ice.   Aerodynamic stall/what ever.

This would mean (maybe) a wing stalls and the plane drops a wing.

Spiral down.

Or an extreme stall - both wings stalled and the `T` tail can't push the nose down to regain airspeed.

 

So the plane would ..... (what's a word?) flutter (yeah, not the best, but indulge me) down.   Spinning or yawing, or SOMETHING.

 

The clips showed it clearly going node first into the ground.  No spin (z axis) no yaw.....

So I don't understand how - if a wing was iced up - it would get into such an attitude.

P.S.   I'm not the sharpest tool in the box.

Watch the blancolirio clip posted above. He doesn't focus on just the sensational crash. He spends a bit of time with the radar. Right about where they got in trouble, they diverted STRAIGHT for a storm cloud. There is a chance that either their storm radar was faulty, or that it wasn't interpreted correctly. Until now I didn't realise that there's a lot going on to have the radar reading correctly. So when they seemed to inexplicably divert straight for the storm, it could be that what they were seeing on the radar (for whatever reason) meant that they thought they were diverting AROUND the storm. Have a look. 

[rgmwa]

Hoover did an analysis that’s worth watching too. 

[T510]

A report from the NTSB has revealed that it had located “the majority” of the Learjet’s left elevator  in three pieces, between two and six kilometres away from where the plane nose-dived into Greenacres, near West Palm Beach.

 

 

[facthunter]

It needs experience to use a weather radar to it's full capacity and the pilots have to co-ordinate well. In those cells  the vertical currents can be extreme. There's limitless energy coming from the Latent heat of Vapourisation Gas to Liquid.A change of state.  Clear ice at such high levels could only be the result of super cooled water vapour lacking condensation nuclei.  The usual OAT would be about minus 55 degrees Minus the heat factor of moving at the Planes cruising speed which is in the Order of 32 degrees, so minus 23 degrees Still pretty cold . There could easily have been an upset with the turbulence and there's 2 Pages of Memory items in the POH to be got through on that, The terminal velocity of 450+ Mph is feasible. The Overspeed in the dive caused the control surface failure. Death would have been very rapid. Nev