Charleville western Qld Wings over the Warrego airshow

[409tonner]

A great day at Charleville Saturday, nice weather and a good attendance from locals and visitors. A few warbirds provided joy rides and aerobatic displays as well as a replica scale Spitfire and Cessna 185 doing some flybys . We flew in from Roma with a few of our local aero club members in a Cessna 172 and Arion Lightning and a couple other local area pilots in a AAK Hornet . It was very well organised and airside access was available for people to get close up to the aircraft. Plenty of great food and other displays from other organisations including the Army. Some training organisations were also providing TIFs for anyone interested in learning to fly . Charleville has a great airport facility and there is plenty of other attractions close by . Great to see aviation alive and thriving in western Queensland.

[rodgerc]

The Spitfire replica and C185 performances were (unexpectedly) entertaining….It was a good weekend but 8+ hours of hand flying is about my limit these days 😵‍💫

[skippydiesel]

Hi Rodgerc,

 

ERSA does not have the Landing Fess listed.  Were these suspended for the event or were you charged? If charged, did you know what the fee  ( + parking) would be, befor commiting to landing?

 

Were the Security Controlled Airport requirements (ASIC & often wearing of high vis) suspended for the event? The only two people in your photos, do not appear to have either ?

 

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[rodgerc]

9 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

ERSA does not have the Landing Fess listed.  Were these suspended for the event or were you charged? If charged, did you know what the fee  ( + parking) would be, befor commiting to landing?

 

Were the Security Controlled Airport requirements (ASIC & often wearing of high vis) suspended for the event? The only two people in your photos, do not appear to have either ?

I suspect other attendees@409tonnermay be able to answer these questions with more authority, but here goes:

 

1. I use Ozrunways to provide guidance on landing fees…From memory, Charleville is around $15. However, Viva Energy was a sponsor of the Wings on the Warrego event and were discounting  fuel to offset landing fees. (I’ve found that fees are a bit of a hit-and-miss affair when flying RA-AUS registered aircraft, as was the case on this occasion. 🤷🏿)

 

2. For the tarmac walking event on Saturday, between 10:00h and 13:00h, the public were fitted with a wrist band and given airside access to the aircraft parking area which was delineated with a bunch of orange cones. (Maybe there were drones equipped with flame throwers hovering over the crowd to exterminate anyone with the audacity to step outside the boundary 🤷🏿🤷🏿)

 

During the 3 days we were there, I had my ASIC in my pocket and nobody asked for it….My non-ASIC equipped travelling companion walked freely in and out the security gate, unchallenged.

 

It was pretty casual (read as: friendly) as is typical for most outback communities, and had a great community vibe. 

[skippydiesel]

Thanks Rodgerc, for your all that. All very interesting (to me)😈

[409tonner]

As rogerc said above Landing fees on oz runways and public were allowed airside during allocated times . We paid entry to the airshow and was given a wristband to allow access airside although we were told when we bought our ticket that if we flew in it wasn’t required to purchase a ticket but we did anyway to support the event . Not sure if landing fees were charged yet but for $17 to support local regional airports to provide excellent facilities like Charleville I am happy to pay.

[skippydiesel]

Thanks 409tonner,

 

I am of the opining that Landing & any associated fees, should be published in ERSA.

ALL Austrian pilots refer to ERSA. I doubt all refer to OzRunways or any other EFB.

ERSA is the official publication - not some other third party service. As-side from the inconvenience, there is the question of the legal status of third party information.

If the airfield owner can bother to place a statemnt like "Landing Fees Apply"  in ERSA, they should also say what those fees are. The pilot should not have to search elsewhere.

It has been brought to my attention that;

• If you wish to access a public car park, that car park must have its fees posted, such that the driver can see & decide if they wish to use that facility. How is this regulation any diffrent from a pilot assessing an ERSA listed airfield?

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[facthunter]

You have mentioned that quite a few times already. Austrian Pilots??  Nev

[409tonner]

I have never carried an ersa in the 15 years I have been flying . Someone gave me one it is about the size of both testaments of the bible . I have been using Oz runways as it is casa approved and is continually updated with live data which is probably why landing fees aren’t listed as they change fairly regularly. What cost and how regularly is the ersa issued ? 

[skippydiesel]

4 minutes ago, 409tonner said:

I have never carried an ersa in the 15 years I have been flying . Someone gave me one it is about the size of both testaments of the bible . I have been using Oz runways as it is casa approved and is continually updated with live data which is probably why landing fees aren’t listed as they change fairly regularly. What cost and how regularly is the ersa issued ? 

Like you I no longer carry a paper ERSA. Unlike you I do access it through NAIPS for all unknown (to me) or infrequently visited airfields, that I may wish to access.

On a trip, I print out all the airfields I may land at & others that may be suitable "Alternates". I read, I write notes on each page, to help with complying with any special conditions,  hazards, etc. These pages are carried in the aircraft along with a Flight Plan and any additional aids eg satelit photo

The way you access/use ERSA is not the point. ERSA is the Australian pilots "bible" for all flying publicly accessible airfield in Australia.

From memory (?) ERSA is updated x 4/year.

I am told Councils (the main owners of regional airfields) review their fess once/year. This would suggest that there should be no problem in listing their fees in ERSA.

I believe all airfields that are open to the flying public must be listed in ERSA.

The airfield owner has the responsibility to keep their entry current - entry's are approved by CASA however printing/issuing is the responsibility of NAIPS.

 

As for CASA approved EFB's. Any third party system that may list airfield conditions, terms of access etc can never be as reliable or accountable as the originator, NAIPS.

 

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[409tonner]

FFS this is like trying to convince my 80 year old father it’s almost impossible to use a check book to pay his bills nowadays 

I don’t think OZ runways get their data off chat gpt or facebook.

[skippydiesel]

12 hours ago, 409tonner said:

FFS this is like trying to convince my 80 year old father it’s almost impossible to use a check book to pay his bills nowadays 

I don’t think OZ runways get their data off chat gpt or facebook.

 

Are you deliberatly missing my point?

 

No matter where you are able to find third party information, ERSA is the central document and should be maintained as such.

 

Having Landing Fees in ERSA will not change where you find the information but will assist others and help to maintain ERSA as a vital aid in safe air navigation.

 

It astonishes me that so few Australian pilots seem to give a "rats anus" about not only maintaining ERSA but also their rights as a citizen to have fees published, such that they are abviouse/up-front, just like vehicle parking fees are required to be. As a pilot do you have less rights than a car driver?

 

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[409tonner]

[skippydiesel]

409tonner,

 

Nice visual representation of how I feel - much appreciated.

 

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