tinydrip Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago The truck driver and pilot should both go buy lotto tickets 1
facthunter Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago A VASIS is REQUIRED for Jet Ops. Even so, the Long fuselage of that Plane has to be adjusted for. Short runway with a Major road at the Threshold it's Only a Matter of time before an Undershooting Plane comes to grief. Lucky to get away with it, and how would it be in Marginal weather? Nev 3
onetrack Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago That's pilot/crew incompetence at a pretty high level. They obviously weren't even looking at the instruments. I trust they get suspended and have to undergo further training. Imagine if the bakery truck had been a solid load of heavy equipment on a semi-trailer? It would've caused structural damage to the undercarriage and ended up in an aircraft crash. Aviation in the U.S. seems to get more hairy by the day. 1
facthunter Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago It would have Been a VISUAL approach in that situation. Nev 1
onetrack Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Well, Nev, in that case, perhaps the crew need to visit SpecsSavers??
facthunter Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Was there a VASIS? That's MY Point ALL pilot's vision is constantly checked as Part of their Licence Medical. THAT runway is Unsafe for that aircraft. Nev 1
onetrack Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) According to the airport facilities list, Newark airport has PAPI, which the Americans claim to be superior to the VASI system. PAPI uses a four light system which reportedly gives more accurate landing path information to pilots. Edited 4 hours ago by onetrack
onetrack Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) The FAA information page relating to PAPI .... "4 whites, you're high as a kite - 4 reds, you're dead". Well maybe not 100% true, but this crew should've been seeing 4 glaring red lights. VGLS - Precision Approach Path Indicators (PAPI) WWW.FAA.GOV VGLS - Precision Approach Path Indicators (PAPI) Edited 3 hours ago by onetrack
onetrack Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) Here's a couple more videos showing the approach into Newark. The "near-miss" with the semi-trailer is possibly not as bad as it appears. However, the landing aircraft are all coming in low over the turnpike - but not as low as that flight that hit the bakery semi-trailer. The news reports are stating the aircraft took out a light pole as well. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DX_upm4DheT/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DX9rfNEB1yW/ Edited 3 hours ago by onetrack
facthunter Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago I only used VASIS (generic) as they all use Pilots Eye height and do the same thing. Eye height Vs Wheel position varies significantly from plane to Plane. When you first go onto a plane like this, the Landing feels/appears to the Pilot like a low fly past in the small Plane you recently flew. The wheels are 70+ feet behind you as well as below you. They can also have refractive errors. with air density There could also have been some wind shear or heat from the busy road which is far too close to the end of a very short runway. Undershoots are not that rare and that one is deadly. Nev 1
facthunter Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago The Aircraft depicted are different types of aircraft from Years ago. RPT jets are required to be stabilised by at least 400 feet above runway Level. It's a higher figure with Larger and Longer planes, This Precludes a tight low turn onto a short final and Supports my contention the particular Runway is NOT suitable for the B 767. Nev 1
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