Abolish ASIC

[BurnieM]

Somebody at a senior level in CASA is supporting the ASIC otherwise why would it be a requirement before you can be issued with a RPL or PPL ?

 

[jackc]

Just wait until RPC holders  can access Controlled Airspace?

They will see the money and ask for ASIC, for anyone wanting that access?

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, BurnieM said:

Somebody at a senior level in CASA is supporting the ASIC otherwise why would it be a requirement before you can be issued with a RPL or PPL ?

 

Not necessarily -Home Affairs may be the senior organisation.

 

As I pointed out before - aspiring (students) GA private pilots will be required to fly into a complex (controlled airspace) airport (as I was). It is almost certain that this complex  airport will be a Security Controlled facility, which will require the pilot (if they alight their aircraft) to hold an ASIC. So its a condition of accessing a complex airport (a key part of their training) that requires an ASIC. Minor point, that shows you haw this ridiculous system has come to infect much more than just accessing a small regional  Security Controlled Airfield.

😈

 

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Just wait until RPC holders  can access Controlled Airspace?

They will see the money and ask for ASIC, for anyone wanting that access?

Unlikly -

• ASIC is (at the moment) tied to Security Controlled Airfields, not Controlled Airspace. I have an idea that a similar/same system applies to certain Au ports.
• Practical problem - How would ATC determine that the pilot entering CTA has/or not an ASIC? Wave their card at the tower, as they pass overhead at 500ft (Min) above circuit height? 😈

[jackc]

You want the bad news? Now or later?  Avdata will build a BIG database over time..

Organisations will look to them for the information they want. You will need to register with Avdata to fly to any populated place, they will hold,your insurance details, your ASiC plus any other data they can scavenge up, even your licence details, endorsements.

You call up ATC? A few keystrokes and they will have it all 🤢 Councils will have it to check your insurance,  before they allow you to land at their Airport? 
NO insurance? Landing rights  denied?  The linformation could be limitless, over time 🤢

All these organisations wanting information, will pay a big fat subscription to Avdata. 
Please, tell me I am wrong? 😨

[BurnieM]

Avdata already have a big database. They already have your rego, name and billing address.

I do not remember a public enquiry before CASA just handed this information over to a commercial organisation.

They do not appear to be interested in anything except our money.

 

Councils will take the path of least resistance. Sometimes this is good and sometimes not. Most councils have very limited funds and do not really want to perform tasks they do not have to. In 18 months doing my RPC at Shellharbour (a council owned security controlled airport) I was only asked for it once. This was about 4 months before I actually got one.

 

Pretty hard to stop anybody from landing anywhere even YSSY. 

Yes they can arrest you afterwards but a serious terrorist would have already done the dirty by then.

 

[coljones]

2 hours ago, jackc said:

You want the bad news? Now or later?  Avdata will build a BIG database over time..

Organisations will look to them for the information they want. You will need to register with Avdata to fly to any populated place, they will hold,your insurance details, your ASiC plus any other data they can scavenge up, even your licence details, endorsements.

You call up ATC? A few keystrokes and they will have it all 🤢 Councils will have it to check your insurance,  before they allow you to land at their Airport? 
NO insurance? Landing rights  denied?  The linformation could be limitless, over time 🤢

All these organisations wanting information, will pay a big fat subscription to Avdata. 
Please, tell me I am wrong? 😨

I'll bite. You're wrong!!

[jackc]

3 minutes ago, coljones said:

I'll bite. You're wrong!!

I will hurry up, and WAIT with a large bucket of Popcorn 🤩

[coljones]

9 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Recently, I had occasion to be in a meeting with several CASA staffers - turns out they are no fans of ASIC either.

 

As you know, ASIC is a Department of Home Affairs cock up and it would seem aviation organisations have little influence in this bureaucracy.😈

A John W. Howard cock up. Not even G. W. Bush was that stupid.

[turboplanner]

7 hours ago, jackc said:

I will hurry up, and WAIT with a large bucket of Popcorn 🤩

You'll be waiting.