Landing Fees

[BrendAn]

On 08/09/2025 at 11:55 AM, T510 said:

Something to be said for having an aircraft with no electrics

at sale there are some cameras at the runup bay for r9 and i guess they have them at 27 end as well. so even if you don't call out your reg they can get you with the cameras. i am thinking stick to the grass strips and don't give out rego might be a way around it.  but there are only a few of us that fly private planes here because the weekday airspace restrictions keep most people away.  the council is upsetting everyone for a few dollars a week. why not just charge commercial aircraft and leave us alone to practice without the financial penalty.

the raaf owns the airport anyway.  shire grubs just can't help themselves.

[facthunter]

Because they couldn't give a $#!t.   nev

[facthunter]

It IS reasonable to pay some fee for the Use of it.. Avdata don't do much for THEIR TAKE. and it's often based on unsound data. People using a false callsign. I got billed for Ph and Mt ISA. when you say it wasn't you they don't care. As long as the Council gets some, they don't care either.  IF you fly a Plane it's assumed you are rich. Nev

[T510]

2 hours ago, BrendAn said:

at sale there are some cameras at the runup bay for r9 and i guess they have them at 27 end as well. so even if you don't call out your reg they can get you with the cameras. i am thinking stick to the grass strips and don't give out rego might be a way around it.  but there are only a few of us that fly private planes here because the weekday airspace restrictions keep most people away.  the council is upsetting everyone for a few dollars a week. why not just charge commercial aircraft and leave us alone to practice without the financial penalty.

the raaf owns the airport anyway.  shire grubs just can't help themselves.

I avoid paved runways whenever possible. 

 

I have my plane at Yarram at the moment and the club down there is pushing back against the shire. 

Last meeting the members approved funding a FOI request for the financial details and the amount of money the shire makes from landing fees.

 

Be interesting to see as I haven't seen reliable information on what Avdata's slice of the pie is

[BrendAn]

25 minutes ago, T510 said:

I avoid paved runways whenever possible. 

 

I have my plane at Yarram at the moment and the club down there is pushing back against the shire. 

Last meeting the members approved funding a FOI request for the financial details and the amount of money the shire makes from landing fees.

 

Be interesting to see as I haven't seen reliable information on what Avdata's slice of the pie is

might have to move to traralgon. club members fly free

[Womble]

Devonport (Tas) may be around $26 per landing I think. 

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, Womble said:

Devonport (Tas) may be around $26 per landing I think. 

thats a lot of money.   i am complaining about $5.00

[KRviator]

What I have found after ignoring every AvData invoice for the last 3 years - since they got my details wrong and refused to correct it, in turn, billing me for operations at a place I've never, been - is that they have no legal authority to raise a debt against you - they are simply the intermediaries between aviators and aerodrome owners.

They say as such in their letter, "The airport owner may deny you use of their facilities or commence recovery action.." yadda yadda - but AvData themselves, appear to have no recourse if you simply use their invoices to line your kitty's litter tray. Indeed I've dealt with a Council (Gladstone) directly - who got my details from AvData, mind you - and when I explained why I refused to deal with AvData anymore, but would happily pay you if you send an invoice directly, so that's what they did. I paid it that afternoon and everyone was happy.

[facthunter]

AVDATA are an uninvited, unwanted PARASITE. Gravel surfaces Mark your Prop and aeroplane. Grass is nice to land on. Aerodrome's don't Look after them selves.

   It's NOT reasonable to expect to NOT pay something to use one. Councils generally just want more rate income and there's generally a majority of Residents who would Like the Planes GONE so fly Neighbourly and have open days and static shows etc.   Nev

[skippydiesel]

Anyone just happened to check out POONCARIE (YPCE) in ERSA

 

A single gravel strip a long way from anywhere.

The owner, Shire of Wentworth, knows a good investment when it see's one ;

 

REMARKS

1.   AD charges apply.

2. Access AVBL in accordance with Council AD conditions of access and use. Refer to website (couldn't be bothered - will land somewhere else)

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LOCAL TRAFFIC REGULATIONS

1. RWS not intended for take-off and landings (?)

2. Carriage and use of radio is required by the aerodrome operator (would that be AM or FM ?? Can a local council impinge on Federal legislation/air law?)

 

Perhaps unintended- comes across as hostile/unwelcoming.

 

Just "around the corner" is IVANHOE (YIVO) - Sealed main & grass cross strip. No landing fees. No questionable usage conditions - This is where I would like to land & spend my time/ dosh.😈

[KRviator]

12 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Anyone just happened to check out POONCARIE (YPCE) in ERSA

 

A single gravel strip a long way from anywhere.

The owner, Shire of Wentworth, knows a good investment when it see's one ;

 

REMARKS

1.   AD charges apply.

2. Access AVBL in accordance with Council AD conditions of access and use. Refer to website (couldn't be bothered - will land somewhere else)

 

Wait till you want to fly into Townsville or the Gold Coast or Longreach or Mt Isa and have a gander at the "Conditions of Use" document they have... 

You must have hull insurance to the value of.....(drumroll, please.....)...$35,000,000 USD. That's right. Not just "third party", but $35M USD hull insurance.

Anyone quoted that lately???

[BurnieM]

What happens if you land without $35M hull insurance ?

What happens if you take off again ?

 

Seems only a civil court action would resolve this and the aerodrome manager would have to show a loss (or potential loss) by you breaching their conditions. A court may decide that the potential loss was very low (say $5) and not award costs to the aerodrome manager. A decent lawyer may advise of the potential outcome and recommend again a civil action.

I could not find any examples of action so I presume these aerodrome managers are already aware of this.

 

All conjucture of course until we see a court action.

 

[skippydiesel]

".......Townsville or the Gold Coast or Longreach or Mt Isa ....."

 

Oft said  - We live in interesting /crazy times.

 

At least the above offer slightly more than Pooncarie's single, propeller damaging, gravel strip and a tin shack for travelers amenities, located way out "Beyond The Black Stump" 😈

 

 

Edited September 19 by skippydiesel

[facthunter]

Bindiwallop is Out there. Nev

[Ian]

Just a bit of a correction in relation to the Goulburn Airport. My understanding is as follows.

It was originally privately owned by an aviation enthusiast.

It was donated to the Goulburn council on the basis it remains an airport.

The council was convinced somehow that selling it to John Ferrara would be a good idea.  The sale proceeded on the basis it remained an airport and the existing leases were honoured.

This has been a point of significant contention over the past few years as attempts to charge fees on the existing leaseholders were taken to court.

 

It's a pity really as the effective closure of Canberra airport to GA activities has created significant demand. With a little foresight, a large GA fleet and associated industry could have been established in Goulburn.

 

 

 

[onetrack]

Attempting to set land use conditions on a parcel of land, long after you sold it (or donated it), is not something I would expect to be enforceable, unless there was a substantial and comprehensive binding agreement put in place as part of the sale/donation agreement, and signed by all parties involved.

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

Attempting to set land use conditions on a parcel of land, long after you sold it (or donated it), is not something I would expect to be enforceable, unless there was a substantial and comprehensive binding agreement put in place as part of the sale/donation agreement, and signed by all parties involved.

Much may depend on the voters (rate payers) opinions on the matter.

 

In the case of  Goulburn, the continued exitance of the airfield, as an asset for the communities response to emergencies, may influence the Local Councils decision making. This assumes the community are aware of proposed changes and that they give a "rats rectum".😈

[Ian]

9 hours ago, onetrack said:

Attempting to set land use conditions on a parcel of land, long after you sold it (or donated it), is not something I would expect to be enforceable, unless there was a substantial and comprehensive binding agreement put in place as part of the sale/donation agreement, and signed by all parties involved.

Apparently aspects of it were enforceable, it went to court on a couple of occasions and the findings were not in John's favour.