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The current situation is that Goulburn Airport is for sale; that's all at present.

Going over threads from 2009 to 2012 when the Council sold it and subsequent stories which pointed to industrialisation:

8 Recreational Aircraft and 1 Cessna apparently are no longer there.

9 Recreational Flying Members were lost to this site and perhaps RAA

So in 12 years, maybe that is the loss when an Airfield ceases to be a pure aviation precinct.

Because there's been no news since, those numbers could be greater; I know of one other who operates a GA Aircraft elsewhere.

In the bigger picture across Australia, it's worth taking a look at potential lost fields earlier than we do.

12 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

casa actually want part 103 from what i have heard but raa have been arguing against because it is a threat to their membership base which they rely on to fund the company.

and i should also say i am not a hater of raa even if it appears that way. i find the staff brilliant to deal with and passionate about aviation, i just think part 103 should be an option for those that want it.

its only going to be a small percentage of fliers anyway.

 

I did the work to bring our knowledge up to date on the Self Administering Organisations.

Maybe it's the Thruster and Drifter and the other classes guys who should be taking car of this sort of question - you know your sector.

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

so why does casa follow faa then

CASA is free to choose anything that works well from other countries, and it and its predecessors have done that.

In more recent years both CASA and FAA have changed regulations in line with ICAO and as a result the big gap between FAA and CASA is a lot less, and where people are comparing the rules they might remember, it pays to check both the current CASA regs and current FAA regs so see if they've changed to match ICAO.

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

I wonder if any of the top RAAus people have either. THEY pretty much ALL did when the AUF became the RAAus..Nev

Well in doing the research on the SASAOs I found some trends that indicate that skills in that area attract customers.

36 minutes ago, facthunter said:

RAAus  Certificate is NOT a licence either.    Nev

amended to Certificates or Licences.

This was supposed to be an inert thread just showing the current structures of  SASAOs and other organisations within the CASA structure.

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

So what you saying is, an unlicenced FAR Part 103 aviation sector is not respectable? Maybe I should pass your comment to EAA U.S. as a I am a member there, they can comment on the standing of Part 103 operations in the U.S.?

No, I'm not making any comments on an unlicenced FAR Part 103.

I'm commenting on Australia where we have our own regulations which we have to comply with.

That should be very clear from the heading of this thread.

What people do in other countries around the world is a matter for their jurisdictions.

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

But really, Australia has no idea on many things, just look around at the way we run many things here. 
In your opinion on many things, itsYOUR way…….or the highway?  Not very progressive, is it 🤢

5 hours ago, jackc said:

Looks like there could be some room for FAA FAR Part 103 🤩 SAFA?

These are respected groups and I wouldn't think any of them would be terribly interested in operating without licences or registrations or destabilising their supply lines by trying to bypass legitimate distributors.

18 minutes ago, 440032 said:

Why are some "Federations"? I can find a definition that fits aviation groups.

In each State or Territory and example might be:

There may be 26 Clubs in a race car Association representing race tracks.

There may be 15 Associations each representing a different class of car.

There may be 2 Associations representing Promotors who finance and manage events.

They may all be represented as a Federation by the combined Race Car Associations, Class Associations, Promotor Associations.

The Federation is the Peak Body beloved by Governments who only want to speak to one person, thus never understanding the breadth of any issue.

1 minute ago, jackc said:

RAAus grounded it from training 🤢 Some b/s they are trying to pull on me, that I need to sort out. And IF the crunch comes to the crunch……I have way to fix that too. 👍

I’d sort that out first.

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Learn in something similar then off you go for Pt 103 or just teach yourself (which I don't recommend).   With a bit of experience you'll manage it. Nev

Part 103 is in USA.

Here we fly the same aircraft in 95.10.

18 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Pardon my ignorance here as someone who is not yet flying - but if you currently hold an RA-Aus pilot certificate because you fly your Aeropup or Jab or whatever, doesn't that cover a 95.10 aircraft too?  Or do you need type training, and if so, how do you get that in a single seat ultralight anyway?

Have a look through 95.10

In some classes of power parachute, the qualification is RPC. In other cases around 15 hours instruction.

44 minutes ago, FlyingVizsla said:

Recreational Ballooning has gone to CASA & the Australian Ballooning Federation is no longer a SASAO.

Hang Gliding Federation is now Sports Aviation Federation of Australia, and there is still overlap with RAAus with Weight Shift Microlights & Power Parachutes.

 

Yes, when you get to the power parachute and paramotor classes there are reasons for having two specialised bodies which enable you to do what you want to do since the training is a different standard and cost.

There’s more detail there but I couldn’t access it without a SAFA membership.

So out there on the paddocks there are several thousand people conducting affordable flying and communicating within the own bodies re flying reports, training, locations.

This shows the changes over the last few years.

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On 15/04/2024 at 12:35 PM, facthunter said:

Funny how we have to fight for what we had first.. Funny as in ODD. Don't look for LOGIC..  Nev

Those freedoms are still there. Kasper told us that. 

Quite a few people have been stitched up just by not checking; You could import a FAR103 Aircraft, but why not buy one locally under the Australian 95.10 category?

Here is the website for Ultralights Australia Group:   https://www.ultralightsaustralia.com.au/

It has links to its products: Aerolite, Quicksilver, Flyfox.

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9 minutes ago, jackc said:

The training use will be limited, number of circuits before recharge needed?  Probably no cross country endorsements? Aircraft limited range will mean no real hire out possibilities.

This will mean far higher hourly training cost.  Not to mention train in electric than add extra hours for training on piston type, to get signed off for RPC.

That was more or less what we concluded when we were discussing the aircraft operating in SA at the time.

It's consistent with range still being in the Top 4 EV issues when loaded and operating at highway speeds and in country areas.

For RA airctraft training I would still look at a 70 kts product, so dramatically less hp consumed per circuit, and legal for 500 foot circuits, so less full power climb, less distance per circuit, more training circuits per hour.

Those two things mean lower up front cost as well for the airctraft.

Sure, it's not going to be used for cross country training, and qualified students are not going to be hiring it for trips away, but from my experience people who want to do that move almost immediately to something like an Arrow anyway, so it will cost them less to do the cross country training in GA.

12 minutes ago, jackc said:

‘How any flying school makes money is beyond me but if we don't support local then we will all end up the poorer.’

 

Some flying schools, spec up their training aircraft with top shelf options, which makes their ROI expensive.

A school I want to transfer to, after Covid had upspec Foxbats, full glass cockpits etc etc.  The hourly cost was $100 per hour more the I was paying, that flying school is no longer in business 🤢  

So what happened to your J230?

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

But I wonder IF CASA is able to look at this new technology, in a timely and knowledgeable way.   Regulatory work from them is usually a hurry up AND……wait regime. 🤢

It's not new technology. Hopefully the RA training aircraft are out there racking up training hours.

Remember they set an endurance record, admittedly by being followed by two car crews with trailer-mounted generators. But range isn't an issue if the proposed operation is withing the aircraft's range and safety margin.

Following the sale of the Airport in 2012, a group of RA owners were going to move to another small field some distance away.

Doe anyone know whether that survived. I've counted 9 members of this site with an array of aircraft from Jabiru, Morgan etc to a Wizard winged trike and a C150 who are no longer members here, so it's possible it failed.

In 2009 there was a plan to turn it into a "Freight Hub" but of course a Freight Hub pre-supposes there is a huge tonneage which needs to be brought into that location and a huge tonneage waiting to go out to make it financially payable.

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5 minutes ago, Garfly said:

 

 

Well, notwithstanding the Bob Jellys of the world ... I'd have thought there'd be a pretty strong

sentiment in an important town like Goulburn that it have a well functioning airport.

So ,call me naive, but I'm comforted, for now, that YGLB will stay due "its SP2 zoning, designating it as a ‘special purpose’ zone aimed at safeguarding infrastructure and supporting related uses. This zoning underscores the airport’s pivotal role in regional transportation,” 

I take it you didn't bother to take the relatively simple step of checking what  the SP2 Zone includes or take any notice of the fact that someone can put in an Application for something Pilots might not want and have it approved at the Tribunal. If I wanted this airport to stay I'd be on red alert right now.

56 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Am I the only pilot who thinks that TBO claims are BS due to the lack of a common measurement/criteria across the aircraft ICE engine industry.

If I am correct, those poor deluded pilots, who use this marketing tool, to compare longevity of service, between engine manufacturers, are fooling themselves.

 

No, you're correct. Just about every engine has its own lifecycle.

Some, designed for linehaul over the road multi trailer work might have an industry expectation of 1.4 million km, but I've seen new model series with problems only achieving 650, 000 in their hundreds and other new modesl series coming off the line and achieving 2 million km.

Going down to smaller diesel engines I've seen two different diesel engines going into the same application with one achieving a consistent 60,000 - 80,000 life cycle under the load and a competitor engine achievingf a consistent 250,000 and in later versions getting out to 800,000. km.

Nothing beats costing each vehicle (engine) separately and totalling the invoices to bring you down to earth.

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Zoning only works up until someone who wants it changed is mates with a councillor.

You get above that easily by taking it to the State Tribunal. Of course an awful lot of people sit back and do nothing and the Council decision stands by deafault.