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......covered in sand and camel dung.

OT chewed on a date. Cappy had seen him go down so reached down, picked one up and bit hard but it was camel dung.......

........one of the local roughies, they rode together to .......

31 minutes ago, jackc said:

So, personally you don’t care for the increase option of  760kg MTOW?  Well that’s OK, but you could at least support the Aviators who do?  We are all in the flying caper together although many may not want to take advantage of the increase option......

Now you're going in the opposite direction; don't worry about it.

6 minutes ago, jackc said:

Well, just suck it up as it is and hope one day it might happen........in the meantime fly happy 🙂

Suck up what?

I'm perfectly happy with what CASA has said; to me it's logical.

17 hours ago, Student Pilot said:

I'll leave it to you then Turbo to ask "clear and concise reasonable questions" to CASA. 

I have never "Sprayed" questions to the CASA PR department.

If I've had questions (concise AND reasonable) they have always been directed to the relevant person. 

40 years working as a commercial pilot and half of that time running an aviation business, I've had enough of Casa and have as little to do with them as I can. 

I like, thousands of RA members will not be asking any questions of CASA on this beat up.

.......used his left hind stifle strength to pivot in a nanosecond like a Jabiro LSA55 responding to slight aileron input [avref].

Now the bull had the advantage on bull and bull realised he should have fixed his keyboard all those years ago because it was looking like no one would be present to tell of his End.

Just then up rode Lucas Turbine on his Shetland pony Billy. At his signal. Billy lined up on Stanley's rear and gave him an almighty bite on his one remaining asset.

Stanley lost interest ...........................................

Lucas Turbine training Billy for Olympic Equestrian events

.......stayed behind the horned end. He knew that the normal Ringer's action was to kick a bull in the nuts when he stopped, and he would roll over, feet in the air and could easilt be tied up with a rope because that's what a group of ringers told him in the Boroloola pub one night, but he wasn't certain what would happen with only half the effect. He hesitated just half a second too long and...........

1 hour ago, Student Pilot said:

And you expect a clear concise answer from CASA? Things must have changed if somebody in CASA will give you answer to a question, they will just refer you to legislation or onto somebody else.

Yes, that's been my experience, but then I've always asked concise questions that were reasonable, and I have always asked the appropriate person.

If you spray a question at the PR department, you'll get a predictable reply.

If Sloper does the same I expect he will receive a reasonable reply.

....his tail [avref].

bull had never been a Ringer, but he'd been to the Rodeos all over Queensland, mainly for the flat beer, and he knew a bell would go off in a few seconds, so he dug his heels in and skidded along behind the now tiring bull. Somewhere out near Stanley's Nut ...........

.........impress the girls, but were only bullsh!t.

The Royal Council (the member States over a gin or two supplied by Cappy had decided to drop the name Victoria as being too old-fashioned, and call the country Victa; and install a king, Cappy, who'd rigged the vote being appointed Regent and Aviation Affairs Viceroy) issued a decree that aircraft could only be built from Mountain Ash and Cotton, boosting the felling of old growth forest and lifting the price of Murray Darling water by 600% overnight, which was great for Turbine Water Inc. and TurboLogging Inc/, and some people said was a kick back from the King, but nobody followed up on this because, if you hung around the King in the mroning he lwas likely to Knight you with his sword, but after lunch, with a few gins under his belt was more likely to cut your XXXXXXX head off, or ..............

......unavailabiull because they are terribull, causing ..........

.......that they stop referring to their old countries and use the new name Victoria in honor of the Queen's grandmother,  the fight broke out with........

........the assumption is probabully correct, but they had the bull by the horns.  Victoria, Tasmania, New Zealand, Fiji and Tuvalu had formed a corporation financed by China. The Corporation through a series of shelf companies in the Cayman Islands now owned the new Nation, called First Nations (even though that is the name of a group of indigenous south east Canadians). The new language would be New Zealand, and the national dish would be fush and chups and Kava, and from Tuvalu they would export sinkers. Using China's Belt and Road fund a new super highway would link these locations around the beaches. The National emblem would be a Kiwi and a Tasmanian Tiger fighting, and the National song would be the Haka, particularly when dealing with NSW and Queensland. The new President would be.................

...oes, which were now a legal requirement in New Mexico. They are required to be made of rubber. The purpose is to reduce environmental noise throughout the State.

This is the reason Donald Trump was refused entry to NM.

Although the FBI were bullish about a potential conviction of the Lovabull Cappy who now found himself in a terribull position, he had incorporated into his voting machines the UNTRACABULL CHIP which was produced by Turbine and bull Electronics Inc so the probabull convictions evaporated and Cappy was free to............

.......the FBI were holding a press conference in Washington DC, announcing that their Operation Gumly, carefully devised to sneak up on Cappy, had enough evidence to indict him on 84 charges of racketeering, 43 charges of vote shilling, and one count of indecent exposure. Cappy had been found to be the owner of 30,000 Dominion Voting Machines, and Donald Trump was right, one minute the voters were 60% Trump, and the next had trickled away to nothing when ...................

1 hour ago, Jim McDowall said:

From Australian Flying September/October 2018:

A leaked e-mail from within CASA and a statement to Recreational Aviation Australia (RAAus) members has all but confirmed that RAAus will get an increase in the maximum take-off weight (MTOW) for aircraft they are permitted to administer. The CASA e-mail stated that although RAAus requested a new weight of 1500 kg, CASA was proposing an initial increase to 760 kg.

Self explanatory really

Superseded actually.

5 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

The best example is the J230. It is a strong capable airframe and could immediately be transformed from a marginal load carrier to a very useful machine. 

Thruster made the valid point about the stall weight.

There's another thread where someone suggested they could fly around Australia overweight becaise the aircraft had been built for four people, but have you checked that the J230 has the same structural specifications as the J430. I certainly wouldn't be saying that becaise my experience flying Jabs and checking them out on the ground is that Jabiru are masters at making subtle differences in design, such as wing, fin, fuselage which a lot of people don't pick up.

Aside from that, anyone could make an aircraft with MTOW if they wanted to, and we know they people want to import overseas aircraft with 750 kg MTOW - that's where the pressure is comeing from, but CASA have loked at it, given you all a chance to make submissions, and told you the results. 

Sloper, if it's really important to you why not contact CASA and find out for yourself.

.......he'd bounced into the Wrest Point Casino, tripped over and fell on a Roulette table, bouncing the ball out onto the floor.

The Pit Manager yelled "....................

Nice theory but CASA didn’t propose this.

29 minutes ago, Jaba-who said:

But the point here is that if any of those 61 forget to contact CASA AND EVERY  owner of the thousands of RAAus and LSA owners don’t contact Jabiru or CASA ( which they will because they are mot required to ) then the very small number of the VH aircraft become meaningless in the mix. 
 

That's the point I've been trying to make to you. That's why they make it compulsory for everyone to submit a report, whether crack or no crack.

Because many people couldn't care less, that's why there's a penalty for not submitting a report.

How hard is is to send in a report for no cracks?

It's not your concern what happens with the RAA aircraft.

Amazing how someone's simple question, which was answered in another thread has morphed into something completely different.

............."Coming in on a wing and a Pair".

It was noticed that the Tasmanians near bull didn't join in this emotional song, and bull realised that his years of calling them Mexicans were about to ...........

7 minutes ago, Jaba-who said:

Actually now I reread the applicability paragraph they do not include any of the J200 or J400 series aircraft which make up almost all of the current VH fleet. 
The models named are all those old types like ULs, STs, etc etc. And then only to certified models. 

So maybe this applies to very few or no aircraft anyway. 

Maybe, but let's work on the previous 65 units as an example.

If CASA only received reports from 4 owners regarding cracking, there are 65 out there in unknown condition; they might all be OK, or some people may not have got around to checking - too important for a safety issue to just leave it hanging.

If CASA receives 4 reports indicating cracking, and 61 reports indicating no cracking, it has an accurate assessment of the spread of the problem.

I've always solved similar issues by phoning every customer - makes a huge different in keeping the fleet working.

1 hour ago, Jaba-who said:

Nope - too much extrapolation to non-relevant scenarios. 
 

There are only 65 Jabiru’s on the VH register.  They form a statistically irrelevant cohort in the overall fleet across RAAus, LSA and GA. Any figures collected from them will be irrelevant to the overall statistics and interpretation of those statistics. 
 

I understand your beef is with the mandatory part of the reporting.

Thruster said: "non VH report defects only to the manufacturer" For those aircraft the manufacturer might be doing the mandatory reports?

If the RA owners are not reporting to the Manufacturer or the Manufacturer is not reporting to CASA, then I agree, the system breaks down.

55 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

"Public servants have been known to use "consultation" as a mechanism to avoid change." -  AND a raft of other delaying tactics.

 

"I suspect there are no chances for high paying post retirement jobs in recreational aviation or international kudos as "innovators".  - as a general rule innovation and innovators are not tolerated in the ranks of the Public Service.

 

"Recreational aviation is not alone when it comes to this self absorbed regulator" - not self absorbed so much, as so risk averse, no one wants to make any sort of move, as this attract attention, 43which may impact negatively on ones career - common to all bureaucracies not just Gov.

Interesting how the meaning of the words down the generations change.

A few decades ago you might go flying wit someone because he was a pilot with good airmanship and be told not to fly with another because he "took risks" amd "would get it one day", but now we are talking about "risk-averse" being a sin.

When you've been through a few cases after accidents, you quickly realise there are no accidents where the injured party's lawyers say "Since he'd never done that before, we won't be making a claim your Honour."

So put yourself in Dr Smart Aleck's shoes: He has a set of regulations for 750 kg where the aircraft is designed and manufactured to a high standard of airworthiness, he trains the pilot to be able to fly anywhere in Australia, and he sets a medical standard and appoints specific medical practitioners to examine pilots.

Then some people come along and say: "We want to build our own aircraft madeout of a piece of pipe, some wires and cloth, a plastic chair amd a lawnmower engine like they do in the US."

This coincides with a move by Governments to get rid of people suing them "because they have deep pockets" whenever something goes wrong. They can't get rid of the whole GA system because that would be politically damaging, but these were only little things for recreation only, no business involvement, Dr Smart could give them what they wanted and shift Public Liability at the same time by following the lead of sporting industries and give them exemption from some government prescriptive rules, subject to them self-administering [lawyer-speak for assuming all risks themselves], subject to some conditions [reverse rules] two of them being staying under 300 feet and in a paddock.

The activity became a huge success and down the track he could widen access to airspace at a reasonable low risk to himself. With virtually no administrative costs the group had got what they wanted, and started building bigger and faster machines, and some manufacturers and distributors joined the group.

Dr Smart had managed to keep Recreational and GA groups apart in a reasonably logical manner but then at the bigger end of the market someone said "I'm too fat; when I get in with my mate and we load full fuel and camping gear, we're over weight.

At the bottom end of GA some pilots, failing the medical requirements said "Stuff this, they only have to get a driver's licence standard medical in RA and they're just about flying the same aircaft to the same places we are, why do we have to get a Class 2.

So Dr Smart took on some additional liability risk and lets some of them fly under some conditions, which was logical from a liability perspective, but blurred the situation for many people.

Then some people found some overseas product which fitted into the 750 kg class, which was not allowed in RA, even if you took a seat out and pretended it was only a 1 passenger aircraft.

Dr Smart now had to consider that if he let the RA Group operate the same aircraft as the GA Group, he might have a lot more liability than the taxpayers were comfortable with, and he would then have to decide where the Class 2 medical cut off in GA and whether the top end of RA should have a medical standard the same as GA, which means Class 2 if you want to do anything meaningful.

I'd be risk-averse too in those circumstances.