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10 hours ago, Markdun said:

A dead person (or their estate) can’t sue for negligence. A wife, or friend might be able to sue, but only if they personally suffered a loss, such as a mental condition (nervous shock); loss of financial support (for say a defendant spouse or child); and for men when their wife is killed, the loss of housekeeping & consortium (sexual services) previously performed by his wife (I think this has changed recently).  

Thanks, I didn't put that very well at all.

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

My comment relates to the term you used "dissident". IF/when casa does something good I'll be amongst the first to give them credit for it. The Cause of accidents has no direct link to  whether the plane is registered or not or whether the pilot has a current licence. Both of which break the law if not complied with and would incur some punishment in any case with justification.. I don't know how the case will go but I've outlined in detail the reality of just flying with "anybody" and in any old plane.. in the very variable Private sphere.  I'm being REAL here rather that  just stating what should be in perfect world. Anyone who  does some research and decides on a particular Flying school is doing the same. or you  source a car that is more safe. they are not all the same even as far as safety rating goes.  Nev

A dissident is a person who opposes official policy, espceially of an authoritarian State.

This news report is not about the cause of the accident, it's about Police charging the pilot with manslaughter.

Best to watch the case as it proceeds.

1 hour ago, spenaroo said:

How many young teens/adults who wrap a car around a tree/telephone pole have been done for manslaughter over killed passengers? 

hell it even has its own term Vehicular manslaughter

I don't see the difference just because its an aircraft.

Last week on the evening news in Melbourne there were two or three - some 5-8 years, one IIRC 14 years imprisonment.

On 01/03/2023 at 2:58 PM, FlyBoy1960 said:

let's say in the UBER turns up to take you somewhere. You don't get in and ask to see their licensse or their maintenance records for the vehicle.

 

There are risks you must take in everyday life, your bus driver today could have chest pain but he won't tell you this when you get on the bus, he thinks it is heartburn.

 

At some point you have to take responsibilitty  for living.

No, you don't get in and ask to see their licence or maintenance records, and the law doesn't require you to do that, but it does required them to operate legally and they face the consequences when they don't.

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

So Turbs, anyone who doesn't like the ways CASA works is a dissident??. That would include a large% of their own staff and most "Thinking" people who operate under their rules.  Every Lawyer will tell you absolute Liability is a crock and denies the process of natural justice.   Nev

The case is about a passenger being killed, not some technical infraction of a rule.  It’s as per OME’s explanation and possibly precedes a civil suit along the same lines.

18 hours ago, RFguy said:

The manslaughter wont get up. it wasnt charter, pax tasks own risk in light airplane.  

The CASA  admin charges will get up and they will throw the book at him.. aggrevated. he'll have to plead guity to all of them , since there is no contest. 

 

 

You can't hand off a Tort, so what the passenger might do or think doesn't come into it. And when the passenger or his/her estate decides to sue, a succesful manslaughter conviction can be a strong indicator to help the passenger show that the pilot breached his or her duty of care. Pilot in Command has consequences.

19 hours ago, onetrack said:

I can't see what the problem is here. This pilot apparently flew unlicenced, apparently flew with without adequate maintenance as required by regulations, and apparently displayed no duty of care towards his passenger, who he subsequently killed as the result of the pilots failure to follow even basic legal requirements. He's now looking at time in the slammer, and I trust he's never allowed within arms reach of an aircraft, ever again.

 

This type of lawless person is the exact reason why the majority of law-abiding, careful and conscientious people get stifling, over-reaching laws and regulations.

At the end of the day, he's got the death of his mate on his conscience - but I fear that a lack of a conscience is quite likely a trait of this type of personality, too.

I agree, OME pointed out the reasons; it doesn't have much to do with the endless war between some dissidents and CASA.

......little Jimmy C was out to skin everyone, not just Opossums. The Mavis decided to abdicate as Aborigines. "There's not the money in it that we thought, and we don't look like them anyway" said the Mavis Chief Win Song Lee. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief and pulled down the foreign flag with the bull's bum on it. And so began a period of peace on the PNG island of Mer where the Mavis left the Opossums alone in return for a perpetual fruit ration and ............

.......being skin in the most realistic way, but the Jetstar passengers had been there long enough to teach them to talk, and so they massed in the trees above the Mabo camp, and p!ssed all over them. As the Mavis ran in all directions the Opossums swung through the trees, and so when Turbine Opossum read out the reparation document.........

....in his own modest and thinking way, he has always managed to convince interested people that Mer is 176 km away from Australia and its airport beyond the reach of a well flown Tyro, and therefore belongs to Papua New Guinea which is closer from the days when the British sent a gunboat to stop the pointing the bone ceremonies Mer was famous for.

He cleverly convinced 56 Members of the House of Lords to fly to Mer, and chartered a Jetstar aircraft to take them there from Great Britain. The aircraft developed a technical fault, and Qantas agreed to fly in two mechanics some time in the next month, and by the time the British Prime Minister had been able to fly they all back five weeks later they were sixk of fruit bat soup, New Guinea opossum, and betel nuts, and in a single vote ...........

.....take over Sydney Harbour and charge a $750 launching fee for all boats, plus the required $750 Welcome to country ceremony, even though the chief who greeted the colonists said his people didn't want a treaty and they didn't want all this new ceremony fuss. "Give me a shank of roo passed through a fire and some blackberries for dessert, and that's all I want, and I am speaking also of my tribe." Sir Joseph Banks recorded the statement in case there were any problems in the coming centuries, and .............

...... use of inventive language, but is careful to cater for the rainbow people who still exist today. The only real difference between those days when they used spears to get dinner is that today they use Landcruisers, and....

.....the fertiliser; the BS we are famous for; find the BS and you'll find corn and our corny ................

On 20/02/2023 at 2:39 PM, Captain said:

.... this led to the massive popularity of the WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER OFF IF WE HAD BEEN CONQUERED BY THE SPANISH movement, as everyone knows that Tappas is so much better for indigenous populations than is Steak & Kidney Pudding.

 

"If the Spaniards had ruled the roost here, we would have built huge temples in the Nullarbor jungle, just like the Mayans did" said Lydia "And that infers that .....

 

 

(a) we would have got out of bed in the morning.

(b) we would have worked.

(c) our engineers would have been up to the task of designing Pyramids that didn't fall down

(d) we had invented the step in our 120,000 year history.

(e) we would have eaten Spanish roast instead of English style.

(f) The offering on the plate at the top of the pyramid every Sunday would have been a Cortez.

Lydia's audience which included Albo, who was after every vote, and four people from Yackandanda...........................

......gun holsters; never guns. It implied they might be gunfighters who'd had their pieces confiscated at the door, and their Tortillas came twice as fast with all the hot sauces, and ..................

......lizard chucked on a fire diet had changed to Paellas and Tortillas and where Spanish words like "brother" and "deadly" were heard frequently. Dress code was......................

Spanish woman removing flies from the entrance to a supermarket in Spain. Note the assistant blowing the dead ones away so customers don't bring squashed flies into the floor on their shoes.   Not also thet The Aborigines copied the stamping, but never realised what it was for because they didn't have supermarkets.

which meant there were plenty of puffs in the average game and the goalies often ran out of puff. This was solved by using clapsticks.

Even today, clapsticks  from those early football games are used in the Ernie Dingo invented  welcome to country. The Aborigines had been shown how to make clapsticks by the First Explorers, the Spanish who own Australia.

When the first Aborigines landed in their canoes from India they noticed the Spaniards stamping and clicking their fingers, as they thought. When Morton askedd "What you doin there mate? a Spaniard said "trying to get rid of these XXXXXXX flies! and showed him the small set of clapsticks in his hand. "When we see ze fly we reach up, stun him with the clapsticks, then stamp on the XXXX" said Alfredo. This habit continued down the ages until the Aborigines were able to buy fly spray from the local supermarket, and continues today as a nice touch to the typical $750 Welcome to Country ceremony now used by a lot of Councils to save the overworked Mayors saying "Good afternoon Constituents" or ..................

........showing anyone who asked, an old oyster shell. It looked the same as any other, of 40 million dead oysters, and there were no bloodstains on it, but hey, proof is proof; it was an oyster shell. Turbo, a Noongar, Cobblebonk and Tjericho man from East Bentleigh had learned quickly from the dusky occupants of Australia's main university law schools and had already lodged a claim for Western Australia, and was thinking about ....................

............he resolved to do.

Following a meeting to discuss even better conditions for archaeologists, he agreed to provide digging tools for all archaeologists, he agreed to allow drinking on the job of unlimited amounts of water, the archaeologists no longer had to wear khaki cargo pants, and they all got to drive Hiluxes instead of Great Walls.

There was a flood of few applications where new recruis agreed to pay a modest amount to the company for the source material they were going to find on the thousands of tablets buried in the Woomera (aboriginal for "desert tablets"), and they all started to dig...............

.........mark the circles accurately, then blew the grooves in the soil through a single nostril at the run, so although the engravings were huge it didn't take long to complete one. After watching them prepare a complete car park in less than half an hour Turbo realised that if he told anyone about them they's think he was crazy. Their leader was Nostradamous XXVIII, and he ........................

....... had to get the Deloraine and District Council (by Appointment to Princess Anne) to grade nice circular roads.

Cappy's photo of the 2018 Burning Man Festival brings back fond memories Turbo is more towards the back, surrounded by the Brazilian Tigers Football cheer squad, all looking rather tired.  The cars are all parked away from the priceless Nazca lines in the desert, believed to have been drawn in clicles and the shapes of animals over a 50 square kilometre area by aliens who ..................................

46 minutes ago, onetrack said:

.....abused everyone for not following his lead in electrifying aviation (avref). Very soon, the battery and electric motor builders were spying on bulls setup, to see what he had, that they didn't.

 

But the spy cameras only revealed a distilling setup, some rusty sheets of CGI, and bull running around furtively, holding a handful of loose wires.

The battery and motor spies decided that bull was taking extra precautions with security, and trying to throw them off the trail of his major electrification developments.

 

The truth was, bull was simply perfecting his moonshine distilling, and trying to electrify as much of the liquid pumping as possible - but the wiring was causing him hassles, as he'd failed his electrical course at night school, and he was simply trying a blue wire instead of a black wire, or a green wire instead of a red wire - but none of the changes had produced the results he wanted, yet - until the day he grabbed another handful of wires, and found them connected to............

the Hobart North Power Station. The kick sent him to Deloraine where he was lucky enough to land on a haystack but his burning clothes started a fire and..........................

......make a respectful submission like Tasmanian Hydro did, and look what it got them; free cat urine as a service to the Tasmanian community; enough to power a quarter of the East Coast grid. Turbo is at pains to point out the signs don't mean THAT hung, or that other hung, but relate to the early years when the leftover morons from the Gordon River protest, kept on interfering with the cat farm, including the release of cats which quickly bred with Tasmanian devils creating a very nasty shock for may farmers. Turbo tied these activists to tree branches so they looked like low hanging fruit with their feet just at snapping height for the Hybrids; he activists were gone in a few weeks.

Bull made his presentation .....................................

[Solar Panels have never worked in Tasmania. Most people are aware of the US Storm chasers who live in rusty Silverados and travel around looking for a storm. Tasmania has a Sun Chaser underculture.]

.....Movie Talent School next door.

Not many people know that most films showing on Stan are made in the Caymans, and Turbo has to do the flight scenes in a Cessna Skyhawk IV.

The Cessna was requested by the producers because in their research they had found that "Cessna" is mentioned 17 times more than any other aircraft description. In fact most children under the age of five say their ambition is to be a Cessna Pilot, admittedly with a troubling number wishing to win a Beauty Contest, or ......