Phil Perry

Have to admit,. . . . to say that I am totally GGGobsmacked by the level of charges to private aviation that I've been reading in these posts is putting it mildly.

 

Can someone please lat me know what has happened since I departed Australia in late 1982, whereupon, travelling all over the country under the privileges accorded by a G.A. license, I paid NO landing fees anywhere, other than at major international airports,. . .and these were NOT exorbitant . . . I realise that this is a forum for "Leisure" aviation subjects, but LSA aircraft excluded from controlled airspace ? ? ? . . .is the training syllabus promulgated and recieved by recreational pilots deemed by the government to be so poor as to have them all totally thus excluded ? ? ? I DO know that the Aussie government seem to be collectively paranoid,. . .this was evident in the small brushes I had with them during my WONDERFUL few years living there. . . but, . . can anyone tell me how we've arrived at the evident level of restrictions ?

 

Are the holders of a General Aviation pilot certificate, flying a general aviation type . . .1940s technology aeroplane, more intelligent or far better trained individuals. . . ? ? Really ? sounds a bit odd to me. . .OK, Yes, I'm a long long way away from it all, and only glean bits of info here and there on forums like this one. . . .perhaps someone could answer my little queries, maybe with historical stepping stones / significant aviolegal developments thrown in. . . or shall I begin another thread to ask this question ? ? ? I realise that should I do this, I'm going to see a lot of links, which I shall have to read at length but this I don't mind.

 

Just thinking out loud ( bad grammar - please forgive me, should have said "aloud" )

 

Phil P.

 

 

Many Thanks for the welcome Lads, in answer to some of the questions. The farm strip is called Oldpark Farm and is marked on the UK CAA 1:500,000 its adjacent to the M4 Motorway. Its a friendly strip, it can be challenging at times :) to say the least. We have a mixture of GA aircraft limited only by the landing strip at 350mtrs uphill/downhill. As to to the place names of the towns, well I'm from a place called Blaenllechau, so I guess I'm used to it. It would make more sense to have them all in one language as it would save a fortune.Just completed a major mod to the aircraft, (New suspension, twin exhaust and a new Dash on the front. I had Flydat and I have replaced it with analogue instruments,

 

so taking it for a 200 hour service and mod check tomorrow. I'll no doubt be a lot lighter coming back as the wallet will be considerably smaller :). If any of you are passing, please do call in, I live close to the strip, if you need fuel just let me know and I'll meet you there with it.

Geez mate,. . . . Blaenllechau . . . .I'll bet an aborigine would have a LOT of trouble pronouncing that one. . . ! . . but a lot of the Aussie place names, although not all are aboriginal in origin, can be quite interesting to pronounce ! ! . . . .I take it you didn't like the digital instrumentation, . ?

 

Phil

 

 

Cheers Dazza / Phil and everybody else, by the way Phil I am a pom from Congleton and used to be a member at Arclid International near Sandbach, we used to fly flexwing trikes out of there. Seems like we have a few jokers on the site GREAT Im a little sick of hanging with old blokes at the airfields with no sense of humour,,, you get that alot over here Phil. The days at arclid messing around were great fun, anyways ive gotta find hanger space and Jacobs well is not only full but the new landowner is trying to close them down, its in court very soon.

I know Arclid quite well, having rescued some of our guys from there when they ran out of uel / dyalight / etc. . . . Sorry to hear the info re Jacob's Well, shame that. . .have you considered a trike with floats,. . .run it off one of the creeks in the GC, bet that would go down well. . . .! although it doesn't solve the Sheddage problem. . . that area has expanded so much sionce I lived nearby; you'll need further advice from the locals on any other strips, private or otherwise.

 

Sorry to be slghtly less than no help at all Sir. On the "Humourless Old Blokes at Airfields" comment,. . .not sure what you mean,. . . .but then again, I left OZ in late 1982, when I was still a moderatley young bloke ( ? ) but have never lost my sense of humour. . .in fact hanging around airfields can be quite a humourous experience,. . .today being hilarious. I've been watching my very good friend Trev, who used to fly wobblywings, but has owned a Shadow for several years,. . .trying to teach his Son Lee, who just bought a Jab 450 UL ( G-LEEE !)

 

how to land it properly. . . . oh dear, . . . I was in fits. But I have developed a method of sounding very calm and serious when I press the Ptt button on the air/ground radio to say "Roger your go around Echo Echo. . ." even after the 23rd one. . . . That wasn't the funniest thing, but I won't bore you with the rest, as I've got to wander off to the "Accidents and incidents" section in a mo,. . . two more machines failed to remain in the sky hereabouts today . . . .nother thread, nother story. ( Not amusing incidentally. . . )

 

Phil

 

 

Jacobs well has a fairly expensive membership joining fee, plus hangar spaces are as rare as rocking horse $hit.

Thanks Dazza,. . . . . . had no info on that site,. . nor exactly how far it is from the GC. . . . thanks for the heads up.

 

 

Hiya Redsky,. . . . Nos Da.

 

As you can see by the flaggery, I'm just up the road in Staffordshire. Welcome to the Forum.

 

Phil

 

( Otherton Airfield - Penkridge, Staffs )

 

 

Welcome Hieway66.My wife and I spent some time last year after Oshkosh tracking down as much of Hiway 66 as we could. tons of fun.

By the way I know bugger all about aviation, I'm a beginner too.

Model. . . .. ( trying to type and giggle at the same time. . .! ) I think you'll find that the statement " Bugger All" is not in common use in the USA, so my mate Les Swazzo told me on the chatroom of that wonderful "Oldies Music" site, DOOWOP COVE . . . . . He's decided that we ( UK'ites ) Aussies, and Americans are DIVIDED by a common language. . .! Anyway, Hieway,. . . .WELCOME to the madhouse, . . . I'm sure you will find some very encouraging comments here on RF, as well as a lot of good natured leg pulling. We ( in the UK ) and some Australian pilots are probably not up to speed on the flying regulations and such in the U.S.,. . . but best of luck with your building and flight training Sir.

 

Phil

 

 

( unless you have a G.A. license and the aircraft ins NOT an LAS ? ? ?Anyway, WELCOME Mike,. . . . don't take any notice of the punctuation / spelling / grammar Fascists on this site ( Ell Oh Ell )

 

Hope you find some hangarspace, and I'm proud of you, going for a two stroke Sir ! I built an X'Air ( Mk. 1 ) with a 582 oil injected bluetop,. . . .it only ever let me down once, with contaminated fuel . . . look after the engine, treat it kindly and it should give you many years of service. . . .bit 'Eavy on the juice yes,. . . but a lot of fun, and you have to try really hard to hurt yourself in that type of aircraft.

 

JACOBS'S WELL . . . .I think that was the name of the strip I was trying to remember. . .I don't know if it's purely private, or if it has any hangar room, but it might be worth a try. In the UK you can keep an aircraft like that at an airfield in controlled airspace, but the regulatory people in Australia, apparently won't allow that. . . . . ( unless you have a G.A. license, and your aircraft is not an LSA . . . I've no doubt someone will explain why this happened. . . . . . )

 

Phil

 

 

Can't new posters have 12 months grace Daz?P.s. other half should have capitals:stirrer: Other Half.

OH YEAH. . ?. . .Is that right ? the other half has to EARN that sort of descriptive respect in our place ! ! ! !

 

 

What's the name of that field just to the North of the Gold Coast conurbation people,. . . . . .memory fading. . . ( Italian cabernet tonight. . . ) a feller and his little girl took off from there in a Foxbat a couple of years ago, and then after an EFATO, nosed it over in the next field, . . .come on brain,. . what was the name of the site . . . . . . .

 

 

Disappointed with the BBC, I signed that petition about 20 times

Surprised at you FT,. . thought you were a good hackygeek,. . .I just setup a little macro and signed it automatically every 21.2 seconds all night . . . .

 

Doesn't really matter though,. . . .Jerry is well peed off with the beeb now and said so today on a tv interview. . . . the Beeb wouldn't take much notice of the plebs who pay the license tax anyway,. . .they live in their own little Kiddie Fiddler protecting / Jihadist apologist / Impenetrably left wing looney bubble. . . .

 

 

Wow, you really socket to them.But don't insulate yourself, from now on we'll conduct ourselves better and generate being positive and more grounded, you'll see us as real transformers.

 

Oh and I converted my smokey old Beetle into an electric car, it's a Volts Wagon.

Can I ask a sensible question amongst all this wordplay mayhem Bex,. . .? Is the VW a . . . ..CURRENT model ? ? Bet there'll be a load of resistance to that. . . . the Latest hi-tech batteries get quite hot, . . .how do you COULOMB ? . . . not only that but with a battery powered aircraft, would you have to perform a series, or parallel circuit ?

 

 

Greater range than an extension lead would give you.

Ah YES PA,. . . . . but "Solar" being classed as a "Renewable" . . .could this mean that the aircraft would be totally buggered after a few fights, and therfore need. . .Renewing ? ?

 

 

Ouch..steep fees. Kinda rules out that option. Somersby seems like an option if it's available and I've taken the Tecnam p92 into 09/27 at Kyneton before (589m) - that's probably the shortest runway I've landed so far.

589 Metres Akro ? ? ? ? L U X U R Y ! ! ! our longest one is less than that, BUT our Air in England is thicker than that Aussie stuff of yours I guess, so the thrust reversers work better. . . (dunno actually whether it's the Pilots, or the Air that has the greatest density . . . . . )

 

 

rUpdate on the Kolb incident.

 

The A.A.I.B. were informed and following a discussion with the owner / pilot and two witnesses ( both pilots ) decided not to attend, had there been injuries, they would have.

 

I still have not recieved the promised pics of the aircraft on the day of the incident, and the remains of the machine have now been removed from the Airfield. Two experienced pilots witnessed the event from different parts of the site, and both described a classic " Departure Stall" , ie, steep climbout, then the aircraft suddenly dropping it's nose and descending rapidly. It appeared to regain flying speed and level out moments before striking a paddock fence post with one wheel and u/c leg, which was torn off.

 

The aircraft then landed fairly gently, although one witness reported that it was "Travelling at quite a high speed" ( it would have been Downwind on the latter part of the rapid descent, as there was a crosswind reported on the takeoff runway, 25l, at 300 deg / 10-12 Kt.

 

The aircraft was spun around laterally when the stub of the missing leg dug into the soft ground. The crew "Pod" was not itself badly compromised on the inside, resulting in no injuries to the two occupants, but it was bent / twisted severely out of longitudinal alignment with the fueslage tube. It is deemed an uneconomical repair, due to the scarcity of available parts, this being a fairly old German ultralight design.

 

An inspection afterwards, prior to the wings being removed for transport the short distance by road, confirmed that all of the three control circuits were, surprisingly still connected and operating, with no evidence of any "Jam" ( to explain the pilot's initial thought that he had lost elevator / aileron authority ) A later conversaation with P1 revealed that he had "thought" that his coat jacket might have interfered with the controls . . . He maintains that he definitely DID NOT stall the aircraft. His passenger was a non - pilot.

 

Can't really expand any more, . . I wasn't there, I didn't see it, and I only have about 5 hours ferry time on type, some 12 years ago. The the two witnesses were both reasonably high time pilots, one G.A. ( retired Airline pilot ) and the other with 1800+ hours on LSA. It's a real shame we have no video on this one,. . .might clear up the "Stall" query. . .?

 

I've tried to be as factual / clinical with this story, ( can't really call it a report, as I'm not a qualified accident investigator ! ) and I've tried not to journalise, or insert an opinion. But it's OK if YOU do .

 

I'll post the rest of those pics if I ever get them !

 

Phil

 

 

BREAKING NEWS. . . . . . .

 

"The STIG " today delivered a petition containing 1 million signatures fromt the "reinstate Jeremy Clarkson" directly to the front entrance of BBC headquarters in London.

 

The "Delivery Vehicle" was described as a TANK. . . . . it was actually a self propelled gun, the gun being of calibre 150mm .

 

A few enlightened observers noted that this wasn't actually a "TANK" . . .this was countered by an old wag who stated that " In WW2,. . .the Nazis had PANZER tanks, with a great big 88millimetre gun on them" . . . .he went on,. . . "if that thing has got a 150 millimetre gun on it. . . THEN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,. . .IT'S A BLEEDIN TANK" . . . .

 

I tried to copy the video, but it wouldn't let me,. . .it's viewable on order-order.com.uk

 

 

I'm sitting in one now about to answer a question from your other post. Previously I probably would have been talking sh!t with someone about why the potholes at the shopping centre haven't been fixed.

Turbo. . . . .!. . .IT'S PERFECTLY OK in my book anyway . . .to use your personal communicator in a public place, eatery . .coffee bar, train carriage or whatever, if you are sitting there all by your own, and on yourself. . .? . . . . but I believe it is the zenith of bad manners so to do when in the company of another human, . . . who may feel somewhat excluded by that kind of activity,. . . .

 

Lately, . . .young people will, more and more of course accept this type of activity, as a large percentage of them will have been brought up with it happening all around them. . . . so it becomes the norm, and decriers like me fade into insignificance. . . . seems a shame all the same.

 

 

What are the pros and Con's of forums like this one compared to Facebook type Groups?

Pros . . . .

Bloody good platform for discussions and news regarding social interconnection ( nearly said intercourse there, . . .but changed my mind )

 

We even discuss FLYING from time to time, and this is what I like, ..( but that's just me. . . lot of nice people on here as well as a few grobblewarts, but you always get them. . .)

 

Cons. . . . . . er,. . . . .

 

Can I get back to you on that one please. . .?

 

Compared to FIZZOGBOOK type forums ? . . . not a lot of reasons to compare really,. . . the open social media is just that. Therefore it attracts EVERYONE with internet access, . . .and older folks like me find it fairly tedious. . . . predictable, childish, sometimes to the point of being ridiculous,. . . . . full of filthy language,. . political and other weird advertisers, no moderation, no filtration of content, . . . and not somewhere I'd want my nine year old Daughters to be. . . . ( even though they're both around the 30 mark now,. . .)

 

I'm surprised that you asked this one Ian,. . . . I'd have thought it was fairly obviousl ( no offence intended )

 

Phil

 

 

When I was just a kid, Frank, my Mum used to make me do the shopping. Our butcher was a huge man named George who had several fingers missing from his left hand.He used to tell me he had lost them in the sausage meat mincer and he would take me out the back to show me the machine.

 

When I became a little older his wife told me he had lost them racing motorcycles when the bike went down and he caught them under the handlebar.

 

I'm still not keen on surprise bags, though!

 

Kaz

Have to agree Kaz,. . .since having all my top teeth knocked out in a head on,. . . I find I have problems with Surprise bags as well,. . . .ie, if the containing film is too thick, I can't bite it hard enough, so The lot comes out of the bread and falls down my shirt . . . .! . . . I wish they'd invent a sausage containment medium which was neutralised by hot fat. . . . . ! I'd hate to have to specify "Frankfurters" for my sausage-mushroom-egg-and-tomato-on-a-bread-stick brekkie meal at Debz Diner three mornings a week . . .! rather like being reduced to porridge instead of steak,. . .( have to chew that on both sides too. . . .)

 

 

No such thing as a free lunch, we all know that ( well, I hope so), my motto is, " You want to play, you gotta pay." Fortunately! As a user, or member, there`s no direct cost to me at this time.Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg . Who will pay? http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-companies-that-tried-to-buy-facebook-2014-3

 

The wonders of the modern age! Siting in a restaurant for lunch, mobile phone in hand, answering a question from someone on the other the other side of the earth! Wonder what we`ll be able to do in a couple more years!

 

I bet you just hate it, Turbo!

 

Frank.

Well,. . . . .I wouldn't say that Turbo actually "Answered" my query as such,. . . . it was more like an enigma wrapped up in a wossername. . . . . however, . . .it was not really that important, I find your discussions re the many differing and varied licensing levels / requirements you have to be quite interesting. . . complex maybe, but nonetheless interesting.. . . . I found out very quickly when arriving in Australia, that, following my confusion with regard to the convoluted manner in which the Brit Goverment of the day "Organised" things, . . .and believing that the Australians were, . . .well,. . .a really Laid back and relaxed sort of society, that things would be easy and straightforward. but NO,. . . . the Aussie Government seem to have adopted a system so complex and convoluted, that it was eminently FAR BEYOND the complexity of anything I'd seen in the UK in the 1960s,. . . ( and I'm not talking about aviation either. . .) I wonder why they opted for overly-complex ruleyregulationalism . . . . ? Seems totally out of kilter with "our" . . .( referring to the average bloke in the street in Englund Guv. . .) impression of Australia. . . . Ah well,. . . .one of life's wonderful mysteries I guess. . . . .

 

 

Phil, from your constant references to the product of Barossa Valley, I think it's fairly evident that you don't need anyone to tell you to have a glass of red... ...(unless of course you just want an excuse to sally forth and visit yon grog-dealing maidens.)

You have a habit of hitting the nail correctly young Marty me boy,. . . . . . Yes,. . . I admit freely that I have a Drink Problem. . . . . . .the problem is that I've got Two Arms, but only ONE mouth. . . . . .there's got to be a way. . . . . Anyway, I'll have my cashpoint card already jammed into the machine at the local cornershop off-license, ( "Laurel and Dean's Drinks Machine ") at three minutes to Nine next Wednesday morning ( Pension Day . . .Yipppeeeeee ) waiting for the " Ding" which changes the balance from "Insufficient funds available " to a more friendly message such as. . ."Jacob's Creek Products are now available aplenty" . . . .

 

P ( hic) hil.

 

 

IF it appears to be FREE, there is a cost somewhere. You can bet on it. Nev

The COST,. . (.if you could call it that ) TO YOU. . . is that Facebook operations like to hoover up as much information about a user as is humanly possible. Which I why I didn't tell them anything about myself. . . and don't even use my real name. . . but they still nag me every time I login, whith questions about what high school did I attend,. . . where did I work . . .etc. . . .this is information that they don't really need to know. . . . and the COST Nev,. . .well, my angle on it anyway. . . is that once the great faceless "They". . . have as much information on you as they can possibly glean,. . .then you will be targeted wherever you go on the interwebby thing with specific advertising "pop ups " .etc. which annoy the hell out of me anyway, especially the flashing ones. I used to know quite a bit about assembly code, and basic programming, but I lost interest and am not able to hack my system and block a large amount of this ADCRAP . . .and I don't know anyone locally who is, . . .so my take on it is to tell them zilch. let the bar$tards work harder for it . . . .

 

Since our illustrious Goverment now allows organisations such as the DVLA and DVLC ( driver and vehicle licensing agencies ) to SELL your details to commercial enterprises,. . . it is becoming more difficult to be anonymous.

 

Fortunately, the CAA is about the only Qango who Don't actually SELL this information yet, apart from allowing unfettered online access to Aircraft registration details, including the name and address of the owner(s) and usually the area where the aircraft is based. . . . . (?) ( Go to the CAA main site, and look for "G - INFO ". . .if you are interested in checking on UK aircraft. . . .)

 

 

I knew a girl with a cute depression. She suffered a chorossis of confidence.

My mate took his Wife in to hospital for a medical examination,. . .the doctor came out to see him after about a half hour and said . ." Mr Clunchbucket,. . .your Wife has acute angina. . . . ."

 

The bloke replied,. . . .yeah I know Doc, she has ain't she . ?. . .she's got cute boobs as well. . . . ." ( apologies to all our Lady Members. . . .)

 

 

I bet that was from the Zambian side and not from Zimbabwe. Hard to imagine professional public servants in Zim.

I really DON'T know the answer to that one PM,. . .but most long distance light aviation people I know ALWAYS avoid any possibility of having to land at Harare, or any other Zimbabwean airfield for that matter,. . . . . dunno why, never flown into the place, but I could probably guess,. . . " What's the landing fee here. . .? " "How much you got on you . . .? " "Five thousand American Dollars. . ." Goodness gracious me. . . .that's a coincidence . . . . ."

 

 

Plenty of examples of places where regulation is non existantHave a look in many parts of Africa and middle east.

See how you like exercising flying rights AND living there.

 

Unfortunately society doesnt permit everyone to do as they like and do not accept that stuff happens and people die

Interestingly enough Jetty,. . . . A friend of mine ( very experienced pilot ) was running a business in Africa,.. . .flying tourists over the Victoria Falls in 912 powered trikes,. . .he did this for a few years, and made a good living, BUT he stated that the aviation authorities came to visit him very regularly to ensure that his license was current, and that he had complied with all the local rules and updates,. . . . . He said that they were very professional in their attitude,. . . . .couldn't have been trained in OZ or the UK then. . . .!

 

 

Did a bit of googling to see if it is true that MenC was a function of immigration..........<Sounds of crickets!>Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neisseria_meningitidis) has this to say about the subtypes......

 

Subtypes[edit]

 

Disease-causing strains are classified according to the antigenic structure of their polysaccharide capsule.[citation needed] Serotype distribution varies markedly around the world.[8] Among the 13 identified capsular types of N. meningitidis, six (A, B, C, W135, X, and Y) account for most disease cases worldwide.[9] Type A has been the most prevalent in Africa and Asia, but is rare/ practically absent in North America. In the United States, serogroup B is the predominant cause of disease and mortality, followed by serogroup C. The multiple subtypes have hindered development of a universal vaccine for meningococcal disease.

 

At this website:- http://www.meningitis.com.au/about_meningitis/meningococcal_meningitis.phtml it had this to say about Australia....the most common in Australia being meningococcal group B and C. which seems to leave your A subtype unmentioned...........<Ding Ding Ding...BS Detector alert!!!!>

 

At this one:- http://www.meningitis.org/disease-info/types-causes/meningoccal-disease which deals with UK/ Ireland low and behold Subtypes B and C seem to be the cause of the majority of issues......Anyone seeing a pattern here......

 

So Bottom line, I cant find anything that supports your assertion that immigration was the cause of MenC in Australia....Care to provide some sources that will back that claim up?

 

This vic gov website http://ideas.health.vic.gov.au/bluebook/meningococcal.asp had this to say (Last para being of greatest import I think):-

 

Public health significance & occurrence

 

Invasive meningococcal infections occur in endemic and epidemic forms. In Australia epidemic disease has not occurred for many years. Endemic disease is at low levels of incidence and cases are generally unrelated to each other. Despite this, invasive meningococcal disease is of public health importance and is frequently a cause of public alarm and receives a high level of media attention.

 

Meningococcal disease characteristically has a seasonal pattern with a peak of incidence in the winter and spring months. Although the reasons for this seasonality are not clear, there is evidence that influenza virus or Mycoplasma pneumoniae infections may predispose to invasive disease and that closer personal contact or lack of ventilation may facilitate transmission of meningococci.

 

The three major serogroups of meningococci cause different patterns of disease. Serogroup A meningococci cause outbreaks of infection in areas such as the meningitis belt of Africa where the incidence of meningococcal infection rises sharply towards the end of the dry season and declines rapidly with the onset of rains. The epidemics occur in 8–14 year cycles. Since 1990 New Zealand has been experiencing an epidemic of serogroup B meningococcal disease. Age-standardised rates for Maori and Pacific Island people were three and six times higher respectively than for the European population. Serogroup C meningococci are usually associated with sporadic disease but can cause small or large outbreaks. Attack rates for serogroup C are between those seen with serogroups A and B.

 

Meningococcal disease has had cyclical peaks of incidence. Notification of ‘meningitis’ reached a peak of 33.1 cases per 100 000 in 1942 (2371 cases) as part of a pandemic of serogroup A disease during World War II. Apart from another peak of activity in the early 1950s, there was a steady decline of notifications to less than 0.5 cases per 100 000 in 1987. The notification rate for meningococcal disease to the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) has been slowly increasing over the past 10 years from 1.6 per 100 000 in 1991 to 3.1 per 100 000 in 2000. In 2002 there were 129 notifications in Victoria (1/3 of the national total) of which 47 were serogroup B and 72 were serogroup C.

Andy,. . . . .I thought the background sound in OZ was Sacaders SEKARDERZ,. . .no one coould ever seem to spell the damn thing when I asked . . .BUT I GET THE MOOD. . . . !