kgwilson Posted November 11 Posted November 11 (edited) The video shows what appears to be the wing and a small piece of the fuselage with another piece separated from it & smoke coming from both wing tips. It doesn't look real or anything like a C130 to me. There are other reports showing the burnt out remains & Al Jazeera also shows the large ball of smoke presumably just after the fireball when the aircraft hit the ground. https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360883218/turkish-military-plane-20-board-crashes-georgia Edited November 11 by kgwilson 1
facthunter Posted November 11 Posted November 11 Maybe flat spin with fuel venting. Perhaps the Tail separated. It has 4 turbo prop engines( visible) . Nev
onetrack Posted November 11 Posted November 11 The U.S. Marine Corps had one of their KC-130's crash in a similar manner in 2017. It was determined a corroded prop came off and went through the fuselage, causing a chain of structural failures in the fuselage, which resulted in the fuselage breaking up into multiple sections. The C-130 can be stretched by inserting hull sections, and it appears these joins in the hull make for structural weaknesses which are the first point of failure in any mishap or overload condition. Investigation: Corroded Propeller Blade Caused KC-130T Crash - USNI News NEWS.USNI.ORG The Marine Corps determined that a corroded propeller blade that came off mid-flight was the cause of the July 10, 2017, crash of a KC-130T transport plane. 3
facthunter Posted November 12 Posted November 12 The Propellers are Made of welded steel sheet and often get Fatigue cracks in them. A vibration meter usually picks it up. Near the Hub is a "dark sheath of Hard rubber"? that can hide some cracks with only a visual Inspection. Poor Maintenance I would suggest and why fly people in an unpressurised Plane? Nev
FlyBoy1960 Posted November 12 Posted November 12 All reports are that this is real footage and not AI. If you listen to the audio you will hear fighter jets in the background. I would not be surprised if this was combat damage from another party engaging the aircraft. There are a couple of different videos from different angles but they all show the same thing including the separated parts and I don't know if it would be worthwhile to create an AI video capturing different camera angles so my guess is that it is real footage. 2
onetrack Posted November 12 Posted November 12 Nev, the C-130 propellers are made of aluminium. In the U.S. Navy KC-130 crash, the prop maintenance was done by a civilian repair shop, and there was insufficient corrosion inspection, and the shop painted over the corrosion. As you'd know, corrosion leads to stress cracks and eventual failure. 1
facthunter Posted November 12 Posted November 12 I thought they would be the same as the Electra and Orion.(Allison Motor) I know it's Fatigue. They are hollow and LARGE with all sorts of overspeed and auto coarsening features and vibration Monitoring. Nev
onetrack Posted November 12 Posted November 12 Apparently there are three types of materials used in C-130 propellers - steel, aluminium, and composite (on the C-130J). Part II on the website below goes into detail about the various C-130 propeller types. Getting to Know the 54H60 Propeller System CSPROPELLER.COM The four-bladed Hamilton Standard 54H60 propeller system has a rich history powering the Lockheed... II
BrendAn Posted November 12 Posted November 12 There was a video of a Hercules fire bomber losing its wings a few years ago. I am sure they said it missed an ad for the main spar. 2
facthunter Posted November 12 Posted November 12 The Later composite ones are high tech. The Allison engine runs at Constant speed. Power is altered by prop Pitch and fuel flow. An overspeeding / Runaway Prop would result in the loss of the AIRCRAFT MOST Likely. The Props are synchronised and ALSO PHASE synchronised so the Blade relationship to each other engine is controlled. Many safety features like Pitch Locks and auto coarsening are an essential Part of the Steel Props I am familiar with The Hamilton standard and Have never seen one fitted and it would have needed extensive Modification to be adapted. Brendan There's Plenty of ways a wing can come off a Fire Bomber. Pulling excess "G" is the Most Likely. Nev 2
BrendAn Posted November 13 Posted November 13 (edited) Brendan There's Plenty of ways a wing can come off a Fire Bomber. Pulling excess "G" is the Most Likely. Nev. Everyone knows that. I merely passed on something I heard on a story about a herc losing its wings. The ad may have been for fatigue inspections or possibly strengthening an area of the main spa. I don't remember but will try to find the article . It was a pretty dramatic video. Edited November 13 by BrendAn 1
facthunter Posted November 13 Posted November 13 N0 Civilian transport has an ultimate G above about 3.8 . You have to be careful with all of them in turbulence etc. Nev 1
BrendAn Posted November 13 Posted November 13 1 hour ago, facthunter said: N0 Civilian transport has an ultimate G above about 3.8 . You have to be careful with all of them in turbulence etc. Nev I thought all Hercules would have started life as military aircraft.
facthunter Posted November 13 Posted November 13 Military TRANSPORT, not dog fighter. SAME figure. Make them too strong, (Heavier) and the Payload and range diminishes. Already Most Planes can't lift a payload more than their Empty weight figure.. The Dreamliner might be an exception
BrendAn Posted November 13 Posted November 13 1 minute ago, facthunter said: Military TRANSPORT, not dog fighter. SAME figure. Make them too strong, (Heavier) and the Payload and range diminishes. Already Most Planes can't lift a payload more than their Empty weight figure.. The Dreamliner might be an exception I looked up the c130 , it has a max payload 2.5 g so even less than your 3 g.
BrendAn Posted November 13 Posted November 13 (edited) The star lifter must have a fairly high rating the way they throw them around. Edited November 13 by BrendAn
facthunter Posted November 13 Posted November 13 There's a 1.5 FACTOR on that. STRENGTH rating . I would think the Starlifter is no different. Look it up. Nev 1
danny_galaga Posted November 13 Posted November 13 A brief video from Juan Brown, who coincidentally flew C130s in the National Guard. He points out it looks like the #2 engines propeller seems to be missing. 3 2
Student Pilot Posted November 14 Posted November 14 On 13/11/2025 at 6:58 PM, facthunter said: Military TRANSPORT, not dog fighter. SAME figure. Make them too strong, (Heavier) and the Payload and range diminishes. Already Most Planes can't lift a payload more than their Empty weight figure.. The Dreamliner might be an exception Air Tractor 802 empty weight 3T, carries a 3 T load and has 1 T of fuel. A lot of AG aircraft can carry their own weight. 1 2
facthunter Posted November 15 Posted November 15 Specialised application. Good design. light engine. Nev
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