how low do you go

[danny_galaga]

Side slip? Or forward slip?

[pmccarthy]

Yeah, I have never understood what a forward slip is. And yes, I have read lots about it. You cross the controls, and the aircraft increases its rate of descent. It travels in a direction that you can decide. I have been doing that forever, it is a sideslip. I can go in whatever direction I choose.

[facthunter]

 Too long and contentious to do here for Me. Look it up on Flight Institute IF you are that Interested.  Nev

[danny_galaga]

10 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

Yeah, I have never understood what a forward slip is. And yes, I have read lots about it. You cross the controls, and the aircraft increases its rate of descent. It travels in a direction that you can decide. I have been doing that forever, it is a sideslip. I can go in whatever direction I choose.

The quick and dirty mnemonic I use (remember they don't necessarily have to make logical sense) is that a forward slip is for going forward, and a side slip is going sideways (into a crosswind) 

[facthunter]

Not THAT simple pmcc.. Nev

[danny_galaga]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

Not THAT simple pmcc.. Nev

I don't know what that means. Like I say, the mnemonic works for me 🙂

[440032]

15 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Yeah, I have never understood what a forward slip is. And yes, I have read lots about it. You cross the controls, and the aircraft increases its rate of descent. It travels in a direction that you can decide. I have been doing that forever, it is a sideslip. I can go in whatever direction I choose.

Even backwards - UP the glidepath? (asking for a friend)

[skippydiesel]

On 02/11/2025 at 1:15 PM, BrendAn said:

I have done sideslip training with 3 different instructors. I just haven't done it right down to the runway.

Are your sure?

Part of landing in a cross wind, maintaining runway heading, is to slip your Craft into wind😈

Edited November 8 by skippydiesel

[danny_galaga]

16 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Are your sure?

Part of landing in a cross wind, maintaining runway heading, is to slip your Craft into wind😈

Exactly. In fact, we are slipping it into the SIDE the wind is coming from 🙂

[BrendAn]

3 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Are your sure?

Part of landing in a cross wind, maintaining runway heading, is to slip your Craft into wind😈

Did lots of crosswind landings at tooradin. Almost every landing is and yes crabbed in there on quite an angle then straighten up before touchdown. Never thought of it as a slip though. Just relaxed feet on the rudder and let the AC weathercock

 

[BrendAn]

On 01/11/2025 at 8:22 AM, Thruster88 said:

I practice slips all the way into the flare in the Thruster, engine at idle. This results in an extremely steep approach, there is quite a ground rush and the flare has to be timed, it is a fun manoeuvre. Also practice engine off landings. I do this by myself, in the event of a real engine failure there will be less stress. I rarely do slips in my other aircraft which have flaps. Always fly with correct airspeed. 

The xair has no flaps but tons of drag. I can hit the piano keys at 300 ft high and cut the throttle and drop down quickly. It's like putting the brakes on. I try to come in high for that reason. 

If I tried a long shallow approach like normal ac I would land half a mile short if the Rotax quit. 😁

[BrendAn]

16 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Did lots of crosswind landings at tooradin. Almost every landing is and yes crabbed in there on quite an angle then straighten up before touchdown. Never thought of it as a slip though. Just relaxed feet on the rudder and let the AC weathercock

 

Not sure what the caution is for nev.

 

[facthunter]

You CERTAINLY CAN'T "relax" feet on the rudder. SLIP to contact reduces side loads on the Undercarriage when Judged correctly. Sideloads, Particularly on a TW  are going to CAUSE YAW as the wheels are forward of the CofG.

 Crabbing is wings level as when flying anywhere  with enough crab to "MAKE GOOD" the required track. This could also be the Extended Runway centreline, when on approach. Crab and then Kick straight is what I would consider the More NORMAL way to do it particularly with Heavier Higher inertia planes. Lighter Low inertia and stall speed Planes are a bit different where landing on one wheel slowly at contact the Best way. If you ground loop it's only at a low speed with TW and with tri gear you make sure the Nosewheel doesn't contact first, OR you might end up upside down. Make sure the INTO WIND wing does not rise as you  kick it straight. It's a COMMON fault as you will observe on You tube. Nev

[BrendAn]

I probably used the wrong words.

I still had my feet firmly on the pedals. Just let the plane crab / weather cock into the wind with wings level and straighten out before touchdown wind side wheel contacting the runway first.

This was with an instructor with decades of teaching people, I didn't teach myself.

[facthunter]

ALWAYS remember that with controls crossed a stall can quickly become a spin.  You can never be TOO Good. ALL planes and Pilots have their Limits. A high level of coordination and situational awareness is essential in Limit situations. Nev

[djpacro]

17 hours ago, facthunter said:

ALWAYS remember that with controls crossed a stall can quickly become a spin. 

A slip is inherently spin resistant. Unlike a skid.

[facthunter]

Provided it is done correctly. That's the Point. Nev