Member News on Mark Waterford's 582 Drifter?

[jackc]

Great article on his lovely aircraft and the processes he had to go through, to get it there? 
But I have to wonder what the costs were for the MARAP applications, for the approval needed?

I don’t think the MARAP process is a cheap process, given we are dealing with RAAus aircraft in general.

Be interesting to know what the MARAP process cost was,  to get all his mods approved?

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Great article on his lovely aircraft and the processes he had to go through, to get it there? 
But I have to wonder what the costs were for the MARAP applications, for the approval needed?

I don’t think the MARAP process is a cheap process, given we are dealing with RAAus aircraft in general.

Be interesting to know what the MARAP process cost was,  to get all his mods approved?

Where do I find this article 

[jackc]

3 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Where do I find this article 

https://raaus.com.au/news/a-vision-realised-mark-waterfords-582-drifter-takes-flight/

[BrendAn]

14 minutes ago, jackc said:

https://raaus.com.au/news/a-vision-realised-mark-waterfords-582-drifter-takes-flight/

Thanks jac. 

[BrendAn]

19 minutes ago, jackc said:

https://raaus.com.au/news/a-vision-realised-mark-waterfords-582-drifter-takes-flight/

Nice job.  Pity they can't bring out a maraps for thrusters.

All 582 thrusters are now non compliant if you try to transfer the rego.  Which makes all of them spare parts.  I suppose experimental might be an option but then you can't train in them.

[jackc]

6 hours ago, BrendAn said:

Nice job.  Pity they can't bring out a maraps for thrusters.

All 582 thrusters are now non compliant if you try to transfer the rego.  Which makes all of them spare parts.  I suppose experimental might be an option but then you can't train in them.

Brendan,  Where is that determination from RAAus? Is that a recent thing about abinitio training? Only? Or does it include endorsements, too?  Is it because being unable to zero time 582s now?  
I got a phone call only, from RAAus about 12 months ago saying mine was not able to be used for training, nothing in writing?  But for me I see no training problem, when I finally instal my fresh, factory crate 582 complete, installed and commissioned? 
Maybe there is more I don’t know about? 

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Brendan,  Where is that determination from RAAus? Is that a recent thing about abinitio training? Only? Or does it include endorsements, too?  Is it because being unable to zero time 582s now?  
I got a phone call only, from RAAus about 12 months ago saying mine was not able to be used for training, nothing in writing?  But for me I see no training problem, when I finally instal my fresh, factory crate 582 complete, installed and commissioned? 
Maybe there is more I don’t know about? 

Since  the mt beauty accident they have been going over every aircraft with a fine tooth comb when applying for ownership transfer .

Thrusters were never factory fitted with a 582 and there is no maraps or stc for it. Even though they were fitted for safety reasons. 503 s are marginal with 2 people. Raa have looked the other way until now. I think they are under pressure from above. 

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Brendan,  Where is that determination from RAAus? Is that a recent thing about abinitio training? Only? Or does it include endorsements, too?  Is it because being unable to zero time 582s now?  
I got a phone call only, from RAAus about 12 months ago saying mine was not able to be used for training, nothing in writing?  But for me I see no training problem, when I finally instal my fresh, factory crate 582 complete, installed and commissioned? 
Maybe there is more I don’t know about? 

You might be ok because it's already in your name.

[jackc]

9 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

You might be ok because it's already in your name.

Well, I will see what happens,  because I will change it to VH, if I have to because the new SAAA MPC Course, being approved by CASA as we speak, will allow non builders to maintain their aircraft with the sanctioned authority from CASA. 
There will be training advantages, as well. 
A lot of info came out of the SAAA Fly In and AGM at Narromine, and their prototype MPC course that was run on the day , was given the tick of approval by CASA engineering people, in attendance on the day.  
All that remains is to submit the documents for CASA to sign off. 
Aviation is about to enter a new era. 
 

[T510]

50 minutes ago, jackc said:

Well, I will see what happens,  because I will change it to VH, if I have to because the new SAAA MPC Course, being approved by CASA as we speak, will allow non builders to maintain their aircraft with the sanctioned authority from CASA. 
There will be training advantages, as well. 
A lot of info came out of the SAAA Fly In and AGM at Narromine, and their prototype MPC course that was run on the day , was given the tick of approval by CASA engineering people, in attendance on the day.  
All that remains is to submit the documents for CASA to sign off. 
Aviation is about to enter a new era. 
 

Is this the course under CASA Part 43? I had heard 4th quarter of 2028 for it to become active

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Well, I will see what happens,  because I will change it to VH, if I have to because the new SAAA MPC Course, being approved by CASA as we speak, will allow non builders to maintain their aircraft with the sanctioned authority from CASA. 
There will be training advantages, as well. 
A lot of info came out of the SAAA Fly In and AGM at Narromine, and their prototype MPC course that was run on the day , was given the tick of approval by CASA engineering people, in attendance on the day.  
All that remains is to submit the documents for CASA to sign off. 
Aviation is about to enter a new era. 
 

I know of a 582 Gemini that is stuck in limbo now. They won't allow the transfer.

[facthunter]

What a lot of BS this all is. Where IS Simple Affordable Flying?  WE are going backwards. Maybe the GOOD days are behind us?   Nev

[T510]

RAAus stuffed up massively when they failed to get maintenance rights for owners in the Class G regulations.

 

Their focus is not on simple affordable flying, they are more concerned about controlled airspace access and making money.

 

[jackc]

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

I know of a 582 Gemini that is stuck in limbo now. They won't allow the transfer.

Well, it maybe a candidate to go VH?  I can check that out?

Right now, there are lots of things going on in CASA, they are very tight lipped right now, but I suspect a lot of it is behind the scenes from the Mt Beauty saga. It’s not over, until the fat lady sings……..

[jackc]

4 minutes ago, T510 said:

RAAus stuffed up massively when they failed to get maintenance rights for owners in the Class G regulations.

 

Their focus is not on simple affordable flying, they are more concerned about controlled airspace access and making money.

 

There are many changes afoot for Aviators to leave the RAAus regime and transfer to VH reg, and end up with many more rights, subject to doing approved courses. 
I have it on good authority that many RAA members are not renewing, and flying unregistered. They can also regain legality with VH rego,,

 and follow the SAAA regime, if they become a member.

[facthunter]

SAAA doesn't do flying training. it uses the CASA Licence Path. McCormick stuffed RAAus when he was the CEO. Backgound Military and Airline Management.  SAAA is always self destructing. Changes Leader too often. I was THERE for years. Inspections cost a Monte. Fees doubled for some categories to subsidise those who were doing more building..  Nev

[BrendAn]

42 minutes ago, jackc said:

Well, it maybe a candidate to go VH?  I can check that out?

Right now, there are lots of things going on in CASA, they are very tight lipped right now, but I suspect a lot of it is behind the scenes from the Mt Beauty saga. It’s not over, until the fat lady sings……..

Vh is an option but then you have to convert from RPC to RPL which is another few thousand. Unless you already have an RPL.

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

What a lot of BS this all is. Where IS Simple Affordable Flying?  WE are going backwards. Maybe the GOOD days are behind us?   Nev

From what I understand these are casa rules which raa are now enforcing.

[jackc]

2 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Vh is an option but then you have to convert from RPC to RPL which is another few thousand. Unless you already have an RPL.

But the conversion hours are low?  I guess you have checked this out? Cost wise etc.

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

But the conversion hours are low?  I guess you have checked this out? Cost wise etc.

I think it is another 10 hrs now. Plus that again in ground class. $5 or  $ 6000

Edited yesterday at 02:01 AM by BrendAn

[jackc]

Find another Flying School by the sound of that. 🤢

[jackc]

33 minutes ago, facthunter said:

SAAA doesn't do flying training. it uses the CASA Licence Path. McCormick stuffed RAAus when he was the CEO. Backgound Military and Airline Management.  SAAA is always self destructing. Changes Leader too often. I was THERE for years. Inspections cost a Monte. Fees doubled for some categories to subsidise those who were doing more building..  Nev

Nev, like many organisations, history has not been on their side but big changes have been made, and  the atmosphere at the AGM and Fly In was very positive, they are getting quite a few member sign ups right now.

Many applicants for their new CASA approved MPC qualification.

Cant be any worse than RAAus wanting to ground legacy aircraft from flying……

[T510]

7 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

I think it is another 10 hrs now. Plus that again in ground class. $5 or  $ 6000

You definitely need to find a new flying school.

 

From the CASA website:-

If you have an RA-Aus pilot certificate

An RA-Aus pilot certificate is equivalent to an RPL.

To get a CASA-issued RPL:

• complete application form 61-1RTX Recreational Pilot Licence and send it with evidence (the form tells you what to provide and how to submit it)
• do the flight review for your aircraft rating.

Your category rating, aircraft class rating and design feature endorsements will transfer across.

You will also get a recreational navigation endorsement if:

• your certificate authorises you to do cross-country flights
• you've done at least 25 hours flying time, including 20 hours dual and 5 hours as pilot-in-command.

 

Add the cost of an ASIC to the above and there is no way it should run to $5-6000

[T510]

52 minutes ago, jackc said:

There are many changes afoot for Aviators to leave the RAAus regime and transfer to VH reg, and end up with many more rights, subject to doing approved courses. 
I have it on good authority that many RAA members are not renewing, and flying unregistered. They can also regain legality with VH rego,,

 and follow the SAAA regime, if they become a member.

I've currently got a RAAus registered aircraft and just bought a VH reg plane. 

 

I am aiming for VH experimental, seems to be the sweet spot for low cost aviation these days.

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, T510 said:

You definitely need to find a new flying school.

 

From the CASA website:-

If you have an RA-Aus pilot certificate

An RA-Aus pilot certificate is equivalent to an RPL.

To get a CASA-issued RPL:

• complete application form 61-1RTX Recreational Pilot Licence and send it with evidence (the form tells you what to provide and how to submit it)
• do the flight review for your aircraft rating.

Your category rating, aircraft class rating and design feature endorsements will transfer across.

You will also get a recreational navigation endorsement if:

• your certificate authorises you to do cross-country flights
• you've done at least 25 hours flying time, including 20 hours dual and 5 hours as pilot-in-command.

 

Add the cost of an ASIC to the above and there is no way it should run to $5-6000

Ok. I will look into again. I was told 10 hrs flying and 8 ground school. Maybe it's because I don't have cross country.