11 hours ago, coljones said:

IOR has just installed a Mogas facility at Camden.

Maaaate what country do you hail from??????

MoGas is a USA marketing constriction of the term Motor Gasoline - Gasoline (Gas) being the US popular name for petroleum (petrol).

In Australia we use the more acurate descriptor - Unleaded Petroleum (ULP). Petroleum often shortened to petrol or ULP. ULP commonly comes in 98, 95, 91 RON & E10 (Ethanol 10% blend).

 "MoGas  Regional" is also the name of a fuel distribution company.

In all cases a cringeworthy attempt to define their offering as something special, (marketing hype) by adopting an overseas term -sad!.

A ULP supply at Camden airfield, will struggle as the vast majority of aircraft at that local are powered by LyCons (likly users of AvGas ). This combined with being a tower controlled airfield means few RAA level aircraft ( often ULP users) frequent the facility.

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Just been looking at the jumble of control steps around Rockhampton (YBRK) - would like to correspond with a local pilot,  as to best way to get to Hedlow (YHEW) when inbound from the south of YBRK???

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35 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Some cars won't run well on 98, read the cars manual about fuel.  If 98 is ok use in your car.  If you need to get it used someone doing regular flying at the field may buy it off you (at the pre war price its attractive).

Not sure that I agree with "Some cars won't run well on 98,..."

My understanding is that its not worth (ie nothing to be gained) putting a higher RON fuel in an engine designed to run on a lower RON. 

I recon you could put 98 RON in your your lawn mower.  It wont object , neither will  it do anything better.

Putting a lower RON in an engine designed for higher RON, will certainly not do the engine any good, may knock.

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In my (limited) experince;

98 RON is good for at least 4 weeks in the aircraft tanks (open to atmosphere)

Can be refreshed to almost origional standard by adding fresh 98 RON (shandy)

Why not refresh the fuel in say 4 weeks with 98 RON, fly the aircraft to 1/4-1/2 tanks - repeat every 4 weeks until normal flying start again.

Or drain As much 98 RON out of tanks as possible, replace with AvGas to full tank, go flying for an hour or so, park plane.

Depending on how long you anticipate not flying this aircraft I would:

• Drain the tanks
• Drain the fuel lines & blow out with compressed air, if in doubt as to efficacy of drain.
• Remove & drain the carburettor flat bowls
• On the last two - I doubt that running the engine until fuel exhausted will remove all of the fuel. This then leaves small amounts in system (including float bowl) which will evaporate relativly quickly, leaving a "varnish" (gluggy mess) , which may or may not cause issues when you next fuel up & try to start the engine.
• Disconnect battery & put it on trickle charge.

The 98 Ron in the "jerrycans"

• If filled to at least 75% capacity (more is better) will last at least 6 months (likly much longer), as long as container air tight.
• For container integrity - best to store out of direct sunlight

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Thruster 88

"I agree, Narromine is better."

As was Temora.

I am not particularly attached/attracted to any location, just apposed to any Security Controlled airfield, as I feel that the accessibility of the visiting aircraft/pilots to the, potentially aspiring aviator, public & other pilots is an essential part of a successful RAA event.

Further just the potential for the long arm of the authorities, to slap a non ASIC holder, with a mighty fine,  is a mood dampener in itself.

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"Bottom line, yes Australia does import ‘some’ Avgas, but the volumes are small, probably because the consumption is small."

Hmmm! "....volumes are small..."

Please elaborate;

By what measure? If you are comparing with the USA, yes their pilot populating is huge compared with ours.

OR

Are you saying that Au is almost self-sufficient in AvGas, so has no need of significant imports of the fuel?

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"Engine noise" - if its electrical interference, this is something other than engine noise as in  -  ignition, charging/stator.........😈

2 minutes ago, 440032 said:

I see a simple reminder of the event and dates.

This weekend!😈

On 29/03/2026 at 9:13 PM, Reynard said:

 

The pic of the yellow bird is just for Skip’s enjoyment.

 

 

Thanks for that pretty little Sonex.

Mine is just boring white, with a tail emblem.😈

Reynard

"If you stay within the Fly n for Fun grounds at Parkes, you don’t need an ASIC."

Its not about ASIC per say, its that Parkes Airport is Security Controlled, meaning, for the most parked, aircraft must be parked  far away from the centre of action.

This negatively impacts;

• The public who can not wonder the flight line, talk to owners about their aircraft - one of the main features of past RAA's events.
• Pilots must leave their aircraft, out of sight and either walk or wait for the occasion bus to/from the event itself.
• Pilots leaving their aircraft must either have an ASIC or wait to be escorted to/from their aircraft - hardly a relaxing/convenient arrangement.

If this were unavoidable, there would be no complaint but is avoidable - change the location to a non Security Controlled airfield.😈

Holbrook Easter Fly-in 2026

Guys! Guys!

The debate is degenerating into personal attacks - not nice.

How about we finish the fuel cost/availabity debate at this point?

All we are doing is repeating our personal positions without moving forward.

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40 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

BrendAn - my freind ,

Haven't you worked out that ALL career politicians are O2 thieves.

It realy doesn't matter what party is in power, they are only intersted in their own wellbeing/power.

Science/Logic/Common-sense, policy, is all subject to political expediency.

Some semblance of decency can be found in the independence, some of the time.

Much like the priests, of all religions, politician have been touched by the hand of god to lead, us common/inferior mortals. 

I am convinced that every polly has the gods on speed dial.

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T510

"I think we have a few decades before that happens."

Here was me thinking my departure was is in the hands of the gods - hold on, is T510 a god? 😈

Any chance of getting someone, from Clear Prop Shop, to call me back ?

Intersted in;

• ANR-1 Bluetooth Headset, Code AP-ANR-1,  Sale price $550.00
• BluLink Interface GA , Code AP-Bluetooth- Phone- Adapt-GA, $240.00

Looking for feedback/advice etc😈

I should add -

I recognise the inevitability of E power and its benefits for the environment, as such I am a reluctant supporter

Reluctant because, after a lifetime of developing & enjoying  IC engine skills, it will be a sad day when they are obsolete.

I hope I am either dead or past driving/flying by then. 😈

T510

"...I think Hybrids will prove to be the most useful. "

You are possible correct, for the near future, however battery technology will improve and recharging stations proliferate ( just like they did for the IC revolution) and electric everything  will take over, with the possible exception of a small umber of historic vehicles/aircraft,  maintained/operated, at high cost ,by a few die hard enthusiasts.😈

6 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

There are B doubles that fully loaded travel from Melbourne to Sydney on a single charge. The battery is swapped in less than 15 minutes.

There are automatic battery swap machines for medium size trucks already operating that take less than 5 minutes. Quicker than filling the tank with diesel.

?????

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10 hours ago, Ian said:

Australia is reliant on foreign sources for crude and for refined fuel. True. Goes to the failure of successive Governments, over a very long period. This is a long standing Australian attitude (dependence on a larger power/econamy), perhaps since colonisation.

We haven't developed fossil fuel resources or alternatives such as biodiesel of alcohol. Requires fertilizers/pest controls/diesel - I question the economics & environmental benefits of bio fuels

When scarity makes the price of fuel rises, discretionary uses decline. The Grey nomads will stay closer to home, more people will catch public transport, deliveries will be bundled into larger bundles. So?

The Government hasn't been making money from the increased price of fuel. Fuel excise is a flat rate per litre, saying otherwise is simply braying your ignorance to your peers. You have forgoten the GST (10%)

If you want to blame someone blame Trump and his cronies. His idiotic fumblings threatens the world's economy. Agree

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1 hour ago, onetrack said:

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Anyone who think the future is still in fossil fuels, is living in MAGA-land with the orange goon.

 

 

Shure there are a few who do not believe the future of land transport is electric and that one day all of our energy needs will be met by electricity. I am not one of them.

However your enthusiasm (lets call it that) may work, to some extent,  for the city/urban dweller but is yet to be economically viable beyond the burbs.

Its a bit like the free public transport that has been implemented by some States - does sweet FA for the outer city/country dwellers & businesses.

I think you are a little ahead of your time - One day there will be long life, light weight, fast charge batterie's and charging stations all over Au.

Land vehicles will have a 1000 + km range and recharge in minutes.

Small electric aircraft will have the range to safely fly between our major cities. 

Every house/community will have a battery, charged by the sun/wind, that will make them independent of the grid.

This is all tomorrow my friend - what of today?😈

Speculation:

• The era of the home builder, slaving away, often for a decade or more, at his/her aircraft project, is diminishing with the post war baby boomers dropping off the twig.
• The younger generation (s) want their entertainment now - not in 10 years.
• For a kit supplier to be economically viable into the future, it will need to be a plug and play affair.
• Vans & some others have gone some way towards this concept, with their matched hole construction (meccano) offerings.
• I belie even the Vans approach will ultimately fail, in favour of plastic fantastic's where the "builder" basically connects/installs premade factory modules, that he/she have selected from the factory menu.
• These plastics,will in general be fare more economical to fly, likly less polluting in both fuel and noise emissions and conform more closely to the designers intended performance & safety standards

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3 hours ago, kgwilson said:

As it does in numerous other economies. Reducing that dependence is something we have been pretty slow at doing. That is certainly changing with Electric trucks on the road & in the mines. Crises like this should be a wake up call to us all. There is plenty of fossil fuel at the moment but reserves that are easy to extract are being used up and eventually extraction will become very expensive not to mention its detrimental effect on the climate.

 

Removing the excise tax will cost the Government way too much so a reduction is a more likely possibility. If it was reduced by half then that is just 26 cents a litre cheaper. Better than nothing but not much.

Maaate: 

Tax dollars belong to US not the Government - small point that needs to be emphasised. The Gov does not suffer when revenue is forgone. We may, down the track but what needs doing now, is some tangiable response to an emergency situaton, no matter how short that response may be.

As for your soap box lecture on EV's /fossil fuels- I see you list quite a range of aircraft under your name - which one is an EV ?

My point is simple - until EV's are a true alternative to all our vehicles (not just commuters and the occasional city dweller adventuring down the highway) we will continue to need fossil fuels for land, sea and air vehicles.

I am a supporter of EV's and recognise that one day they will be ubiquities in both town & country but not for the immediate future.😈

2 hours ago, kgwilson said:

 

 

Also Australia has cheaper fuel than all European countries, the UK, NZ  & most developed countries except the USA which is now about $US1.15 ($AUD 1.67) a litre. Our fuel excise tax is also lower than most developed countries.

 

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/USA/gasoline_prices/

 

 

Your point??

The price of diesel contributes to every aspect of our lives, even to your ambulance rush to the hospital and the carriage of your remains.

Petrol on the other hand only influences the cost of personal travel, mowing the lawn, the time you spend in the air, etc  ie not far off discretionary

A temporary removal of the diesel tax components, would do something tangible to address the fuel shortage and the cost of living rise.

Not a hard concept to grasp.😈

6 minutes ago, Thruster88 said:

Interesting comment early in the vid from the owner about one of the reasons for their financial difficulties, "competition from our own aircraft on the used market". I see and understand what he he saying. Why buy a new aircraft or kit when one can buy the same item for half or less price and have it immediately. 

True!! At least in part;

One , significant benefit, if you are building  in Australia - As the builder, you decide a whole host of matters associated with the aircraft. The purchaser, of the completed second hand aircraft, gets to live with these decisions. The purchaser of a completed kit is not much diffrent to the purchaser of a factory built aircraft ie you can not change very much.

As for purchase cost - much will depend on quality of build, engine, prop and avionics choices, maintenance record, flight hours, (for Rotax) calendar age, etc and of course the reputation of the aircraft. A good one will cost you a lot more than half the build cost, possibly for a very popular one, more than the build cost. Build cost is usually materials only - the hours & years of building rarely get recognised in the sale.